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thought he retired at the end of Celtic's season?sarah_lennon wrote:Anybody care?
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Couldn't give a fock. Mattered to me when he played for Ireland, but being a big Inverness Caley Thistle fan, I'm glad he won't be playing next year.ckav wrote:thought he retired at the end of Celtic's season?sarah_lennon wrote:Anybody care?
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Ross County all the wayFlash Gordon wrote:Couldn't give a fock. Mattered to me when he played for Ireland, but being a big Inverness Caley Thistle fan, I'm glad he won't be playing next year.ckav wrote:thought he retired at the end of Celtic's season?sarah_lennon wrote:Anybody care?
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"Officially" declared today what everyone knew. Could barely tolerate the man when he was at Manure, but because he seemed to be Ireland's only genuinely world class player I did.ckav wrote:thought he retired at the end of Celtic's season?sarah_lennon wrote:Anybody care?
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After Saipan, he became a joke and was shooting his mouth off without actually being able to deliver anything on the pitch.
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Sheep shagger.....Avenger wrote:Ross County all the wayFlash Gordon wrote:Couldn't give a fock. Mattered to me when he played for Ireland, but being a big Inverness Caley Thistle fan, I'm glad he won't be playing next year.ckav wrote: thought he retired at the end of Celtic's season?
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Where?Flash Gordon wrote:Sheep shagger.....Avenger wrote:Ross County all the wayFlash Gordon wrote: Couldn't give a fock. Mattered to me when he played for Ireland, but being a big Inverness Caley Thistle fan, I'm glad he won't be playing next year.
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Today's indo
Great piece and an excellent analogy with Scott's expedition...
Turning his back on the green jersey will overshadow memories of Roy
Tuesday June 13th 2006
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AS heroic and poignant departures go, this one has to top the list. Captain Titus Oates, realising his weak condition and immobility were hindering his companions' chances of survival, took a final look around and informed them he was going outside and "may be some time". With that, Oates staggered out of the tent into temperatures of -45 degrees to embrace the howling Antarctic blizzard and his own death.
Captain Scott's bid to reach the South Pole in 1912 was characterised by poor planning and mismanagement of resources.
While the Nowegian expedition led by Roald Amundsen relied on the durable qualities of the husky dog to drag them to glory, Scott's party insisted on the use of ponies and, when those unfortunate creatures inevitably succumbed to the cold, their own English muscle. Yet, no-one abandoned the mission, even when they realised, while still a good distance from their goal, that Amundsen had beaten them to it.
Though the expedition was irredeemably flawed from the outset, pride and honour were the dominant emotions driving them on - combined with a large dollop of patriotic fervour.
Ninety years later, when Ireland's footballers set out on their march to the World Cup in Japan and Korea, they laboured under a similar burden of shoddy preparation and lack of foresight.
Yet, their captain, rather than toughing it out and stifling his frustration until after the conclusion of their attempt, abandoned the expedition at base camp. He just went home. It is customary when great players step down from competitive action to embark on an orgy of eulogy. And, following Roy Keane's retirement yesterday, there has been a long queue of admirers tripping over each other in their eagerness to stack up the superlatives at the gates of Camp Keano.
However, amid the deluge of devotion, the word 'Saipan' is inescapable. It is such a pity that a footballer who contributed so much to the teams he played for should be remembered for, whatever the Keane acolytes may argue, letting his country down.
This debate has ricocheted around the nation's hostelries for four years and will never arrive at a point of unanimity. However, given the day that's in it, we will break it down one more time.
Ireland's captain undeniably had every reason to be disgruntled ahead of the 2002 World Cup. From the dancing leprechauns bidding the squad farewell at Dublin Airport to the absence of acceptable facilities when they touched down in Saipan, the whole affair reeked of amateurism. Throw into the mix the tensions between Keane and various members of the party, most notably manager Mick McCarthy, and it was a situation waiting to erupt.
However, this is where we deviate from Keane's chosen course of action. No matter how strong the sense of injustice,the players had a duty to the country they were representing. That is the key point, irrespective of who was right in the Keane v McCarthy showdown, if you choose not to play for your country you dishonour the millions who will never have that chance.
If you have a problem, you bite your bloody tongue until it's all over and then try and improve matters.
Throughout the 1990s, the Irish rugby team was a joke on and off the pitch. IRFU blazerdom, with all its petty provincial trappings, held sway and players, even after the advent of professionalism in 1995, received precious little support with heavy beatings a regular, and inevitable, occurrence. Former Ireland coach Murray Kidd tells a story regarding an international trip to Paris. The players flew over steerage while IRFU officials and their partners sat quaffing wine in first class.
Then, when the team and officials got to their hotel, the players (laden down with bags) were forced to use the stairs to get to their bedrooms because the lifts were jammed with blazers and their fur-clad wives. There was huge disenchantment among the players at the way they were treated and it was the likes of Keith Wood and Mick Galwey who agitated behind the scenes for the changes which paved the way for the success Ireland has enjoyed post-2000.
However, despite repeated losses and a heightening sense of frustration, the thought of not playing for their country would never have occurred to these men.
Unlike Keane. Alf Inge Haaland aside, Keane's performances on the pitch were beyond reproach in terms of skill and commitment and he deserves to be remembered as one of the best players ever to don the green. The sad reality is that the clearest memory will be of the time he chose not to.
Hugh Farrelly
Turning his back on the green jersey will overshadow memories of Roy
Tuesday June 13th 2006
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AS heroic and poignant departures go, this one has to top the list. Captain Titus Oates, realising his weak condition and immobility were hindering his companions' chances of survival, took a final look around and informed them he was going outside and "may be some time". With that, Oates staggered out of the tent into temperatures of -45 degrees to embrace the howling Antarctic blizzard and his own death.
Captain Scott's bid to reach the South Pole in 1912 was characterised by poor planning and mismanagement of resources.
While the Nowegian expedition led by Roald Amundsen relied on the durable qualities of the husky dog to drag them to glory, Scott's party insisted on the use of ponies and, when those unfortunate creatures inevitably succumbed to the cold, their own English muscle. Yet, no-one abandoned the mission, even when they realised, while still a good distance from their goal, that Amundsen had beaten them to it.
Though the expedition was irredeemably flawed from the outset, pride and honour were the dominant emotions driving them on - combined with a large dollop of patriotic fervour.
Ninety years later, when Ireland's footballers set out on their march to the World Cup in Japan and Korea, they laboured under a similar burden of shoddy preparation and lack of foresight.
Yet, their captain, rather than toughing it out and stifling his frustration until after the conclusion of their attempt, abandoned the expedition at base camp. He just went home. It is customary when great players step down from competitive action to embark on an orgy of eulogy. And, following Roy Keane's retirement yesterday, there has been a long queue of admirers tripping over each other in their eagerness to stack up the superlatives at the gates of Camp Keano.
However, amid the deluge of devotion, the word 'Saipan' is inescapable. It is such a pity that a footballer who contributed so much to the teams he played for should be remembered for, whatever the Keane acolytes may argue, letting his country down.
This debate has ricocheted around the nation's hostelries for four years and will never arrive at a point of unanimity. However, given the day that's in it, we will break it down one more time.
Ireland's captain undeniably had every reason to be disgruntled ahead of the 2002 World Cup. From the dancing leprechauns bidding the squad farewell at Dublin Airport to the absence of acceptable facilities when they touched down in Saipan, the whole affair reeked of amateurism. Throw into the mix the tensions between Keane and various members of the party, most notably manager Mick McCarthy, and it was a situation waiting to erupt.
However, this is where we deviate from Keane's chosen course of action. No matter how strong the sense of injustice,the players had a duty to the country they were representing. That is the key point, irrespective of who was right in the Keane v McCarthy showdown, if you choose not to play for your country you dishonour the millions who will never have that chance.
If you have a problem, you bite your bloody tongue until it's all over and then try and improve matters.
Throughout the 1990s, the Irish rugby team was a joke on and off the pitch. IRFU blazerdom, with all its petty provincial trappings, held sway and players, even after the advent of professionalism in 1995, received precious little support with heavy beatings a regular, and inevitable, occurrence. Former Ireland coach Murray Kidd tells a story regarding an international trip to Paris. The players flew over steerage while IRFU officials and their partners sat quaffing wine in first class.
Then, when the team and officials got to their hotel, the players (laden down with bags) were forced to use the stairs to get to their bedrooms because the lifts were jammed with blazers and their fur-clad wives. There was huge disenchantment among the players at the way they were treated and it was the likes of Keith Wood and Mick Galwey who agitated behind the scenes for the changes which paved the way for the success Ireland has enjoyed post-2000.
However, despite repeated losses and a heightening sense of frustration, the thought of not playing for their country would never have occurred to these men.
Unlike Keane. Alf Inge Haaland aside, Keane's performances on the pitch were beyond reproach in terms of skill and commitment and he deserves to be remembered as one of the best players ever to don the green. The sad reality is that the clearest memory will be of the time he chose not to.
Hugh Farrelly
You referring to Mick?Duff Paddy wrote:For me, Roy Keane will always be the man who let an Englishman stop him from leading his country at the world cup.
I will remember Keano as a great player for Ireland. His performance against Italy at WC '94 was unbelievable. Pity about Saipan but I would have done the same, especially if the other lads weren't taking it seriously enough.
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With the retirement of Keano from football the person/animal I feel sorry for is his dog. He will have to go on many more of those marathon walks, poor fellah will be knackered.
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