Irish Presidential flag .

[intothewest]

All this over a bloody flag!!!

Yeah, you're right Donny. Think it was all fairly civilised (and interesting) until I was called inbred and a "moron" tho...not having that.

[fourthirtythree]

All this over a bloody flag!!!

Yeah, you're right Donny. Think it was all fairly civilised (and interesting) until I was called inbred and a "moron" tho...not having that.

I thought it was interesting too until somebody decided to start name calling without actually reading the thread.

Not that calling anyone a moron improves the nature of the debate even if they have read the thread.

[Leinster Exile]

Mention "The Brits" and you get 3 pages classic.

I couldn't find the appropriate song from Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly

[footrush]

Ha ha, nope wasn't in the north stand.... Still love the flag though! West Brit or not, smacking flag!!![/quote]
With you all the way Podge , walked down Rose inn street flyin it before the final , waved it round Llanelli , just started this post cause people kept askin where I got it . It has a traditional harp (not angel/hibernia) , its big and the St Pat's blue background rocks , I'm bringing it to Reading regardless , this flag kicks ass .

[footrush]

The Ryanair logo looks a bit like one of the dodgy west Brit , angel/Hibernia harps from perfidious Albion
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3 ... yan203.jpg
Is it an MI 5 plot ? .

[footrush]

Get a load a this , its not even polyester , truly awesome :
http://www.rcyc.ie/components/com_virtu ... 1e9ed5.jpg
Imagine a 10 mtr one of these .

[footrush]

Maybe a blue version of this could become the official supporters club tie , any takers ?.
http://www.dugs.ie/Merchandise/tie.jpg

[footrush]

The harp with the Angel combined is in fact Hibernia (the motherland) not an angle. Hibernia is the roman name for Ireland. The world did not begin with the British, who themselves liked to model themselves on the Roman Empire, the Romans modelled themselves on the Greeks and so it continues. Hence Roman style classical architecture adapted by the British (classical columns for example) was in fact based on Greek architecture.

A word on imperialism and occupation by another country. It is not uncommon for an occupying country to adapt the symbols of the country they have settled . It is very stupid however to suggest that such symbols and heritage are automatically lost to the natives of that country. If this were true 6 / 700 years of Irish history and heritage would be lost to us and our heritage . Cities like Dublin , Limerick and Cork would be British , not Irish.

It is also stupid to suggest that things such as Georgian architecture are not part of our heritage because they are British. It’s not like our labour , talent and money was not used to build these things. Ireland was the most taxed region of the British empire. It’s not like we took a tea break for 6/ 7 hundred years and watched while Yorkshire men built our country.

Ireland as a country has a massive heritage that is influenced by the British occupation. To ignore this is childish. To pretend it is not Irish heritage is simplistic.

By the Way Cork was found of referring to itself as a Loyalist City. You can find Many pictures of Patrick street decked out in Union Jacks. Cork was a city of greet significance under British rule. Cork hosted the World Fair in 1906. its demise began in the War of independence , and continued in the Civil war . Where the myth of the rebel county was created by Nationalists and Anti treaty factions. The city has never recovered, this is not a slag of Cork but a recognition that the city was on a path to greatness in the early 1900's under British rule.

Let’s not forget also that the British army popularised rugby in Limerick by having regular matches between the army garrison and the Dock workers of Limerick.

I know that some Munster folk will think this is being insulting. But going back to my point, this is simply part of our heritage. And it is therefore an Irish heritage because it is part of us.

By the way , I would also not assume that the game of rugby is English. The Webb Ellis story is not far off a fairly tale. Many a historian believe that the game of Chad is in fact the origins of rugby. Chad is a very old Irish game where a player would run with a ball into a defined zone. It was the job of the opposing team to stop him running for this zone. Sound familiar ??

See what you mean about cork , check this out :
http://www.corkweek.ie/

[madridlion]

And Sally O´Brien and the way she might look at you,
you could fry an egg if you had an egg,
and you could fly a flag with a harp on it if you had a flag with a harp on it

[ronk]

See what you mean about cork , check this out :
http://www.corkweek.ie/

That event started in 1978.

Or were you referring to it being the oldest yacht club in the world.

[footrush]

See what you mean about cork , check this out :
http://www.corkweek.ie/

That event started in 1978.

Or were you referring to it being the oldest yacht club in the world.

Was referring to the logo for the 2010 event , red and blue with an angel harp on it , don't have a problem with it at all , just pointing out that the harp and also the angel/hibernia harp are everywhere not only Leinster .

[Bones]

The harp with the Angel combined is in fact Hibernia (the motherland) not an angle. Hibernia is the roman name for Ireland. The world did not begin with the British, who themselves liked to model themselves on the Roman Empire, the Romans modelled themselves on the Greeks and so it continues. Hence Roman style classical architecture adapted by the British (classical columns for example) was in fact based on Greek architecture.

A word on imperialism and occupation by another country. It is not uncommon for an occupying country to adapt the symbols of the country they have settled . It is very stupid however to suggest that such symbols and heritage are automatically lost to the natives of that country. If this were true 6 / 700 years of Irish history and heritage would be lost to us and our heritage . Cities like Dublin , Limerick and Cork would be British , not Irish.

It is also stupid to suggest that things such as Georgian architecture are not part of our heritage because they are British. It’s not like our labour , talent and money was not used to build these things. Ireland was the most taxed region of the British empire. It’s not like we took a tea break for 6/ 7 hundred years and watched while Yorkshire men built our country.

Ireland as a country has a massive heritage that is influenced by the British occupation. To ignore this is childish. To pretend it is not Irish heritage is simplistic.

By the Way Cork was found of referring to itself as a Loyalist City. You can find Many pictures of Patrick street decked out in Union Jacks. Cork was a city of greet significance under British rule. Cork hosted the World Fair in 1906. its demise began in the War of independence , and continued in the Civil war . Where the myth of the rebel county was created by Nationalists and Anti treaty factions. The city has never recovered, this is not a slag of Cork but a recognition that the city was on a path to greatness in the early 1900's under British rule.

Let’s not forget also that the British army popularised rugby in Limerick by having regular matches between the army garrison and the Dock workers of Limerick.

I know that some Munster folk will think this is being insulting. But going back to my point, this is simply part of our heritage. And it is therefore an Irish heritage because it is part of us.

By the way , I would also not assume that the game of rugby is English. The Webb Ellis story is not far off a fairly tale. Many a historian believe that the game of Chad is in fact the origins of rugby. Chad is a very old Irish game where a player would run with a ball into a defined zone. It was the job of the opposing team to stop him running for this zone. Sound familiar ??

See what you mean about cork , check this out :
http://www.corkweek.ie/

Cork is nicknamed "The Rebel County", as a result of the support of the townsmen of Cork in 1491 for Perkin Warbeck, a pretender to the throne of England during the Wars of the Roses. In more recent times, the name has referred to the prominent role Cork played in the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) and its position as an anti-treaty stronghold during the Irish Civil War (1922-23).

[Bones]

Oops. Double post.

[BlueBlue]

The harp with the Angel combined is in fact Hibernia (the motherland) not an angle. Hibernia is the roman name for Ireland. The world did not begin with the British, who themselves liked to model themselves on the Roman Empire, the Romans modelled themselves on the Greeks and so it continues. Hence Roman style classical architecture adapted by the British (classical columns for example) was in fact based on Greek architecture.

A word on imperialism and occupation by another country. It is not uncommon for an occupying country to adapt the symbols of the country they have settled . It is very stupid however to suggest that such symbols and heritage are automatically lost to the natives of that country. If this were true 6 / 700 years of Irish history and heritage would be lost to us and our heritage . Cities like Dublin , Limerick and Cork would be British , not Irish.

It is also stupid to suggest that things such as Georgian architecture are not part of our heritage because they are British. It’s not like our labour , talent and money was not used to build these things. Ireland was the most taxed region of the British empire. It’s not like we took a tea break for 6/ 7 hundred years and watched while Yorkshire men built our country.

Ireland as a country has a massive heritage that is influenced by the British occupation. To ignore this is childish. To pretend it is not Irish heritage is simplistic.

By the Way Cork was found of referring to itself as a Loyalist City. You can find Many pictures of Patrick street decked out in Union Jacks. Cork was a city of greet significance under British rule. Cork hosted the World Fair in 1906. its demise began in the War of independence , and continued in the Civil war . Where the myth of the rebel county was created by Nationalists and Anti treaty factions. The city has never recovered, this is not a slag of Cork but a recognition that the city was on a path to greatness in the early 1900's under British rule.

Let’s not forget also that the British army popularised rugby in Limerick by having regular matches between the army garrison and the Dock workers of Limerick.

I know that some Munster folk will think this is being insulting. But going back to my point, this is simply part of our heritage. And it is therefore an Irish heritage because it is part of us.

By the way , I would also not assume that the game of rugby is English. The Webb Ellis story is not far off a fairly tale. Many a historian believe that the game of Chad is in fact the origins of rugby. Chad is a very old Irish game where a player would run with a ball into a defined zone. It was the job of the opposing team to stop him running for this zone. Sound familiar ??

Good post BB, you are right in all you say of course..Hibernia,its believed, is speculated as being how the romans wrote the "Britons" pronouciation of "Iverni (a)"..the Ivernii being the ancient inhabitants of modern Cork/Kerry. Of course, we have an English heritage, some of it good, some of it...not so good. They f*cked up all our place names.."Phoenix park...Bally this n that"...then again look at the Irish rail map from 1906...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_R ... n_1906.jpg
Then look at it now...we had the most updated and exensive rail network in Europe at the beginning of the 20th century.

P.S: Ever hear the theory/legend/myth/bullsh*t about why "Rugby" should be called "Nenagh" BB?! I kid you not..Webb-Ellis father was in RIC in Nenagh and its possible that when picking up the ball and running with it, he was doing as he had seen in his youth when they played Caid by running with the ball in North Tipp!

Yes thats it Caid, thats what I was talking about. Have you seen or read any of the History of Irish rugby by Edmund van esbeck (I think thats how you spell the name) . Its out of print now but I have a copy. He expands of this theory in the book, very interesting. I think there is a lot of truth in the links, or that Webb Ellis saw caid or Gealic football in Ireland. Where the fairy tale bit in the webb ellis comes in is the idea that this was the begining of rugby. As if games where you picked up a ball and ran with it were not in existance already.

[BlueBlue]

All this over a bloody flag!!!

Donny , you know its not just a flag. Its a badge of honour , a way of life. Its a family !

[footrush]

All this over a bloody flag!!!

Donny , you know its not just a flag. Its a badge of honour , a way of life. Its a family !

The bloody flag is the Catalan one :
http://www.atlasgeo.net/fotw/flags/es-ct_ar.html#leg
There is a picturesque legend concerning the adoption of this device. Far back in history, a heiress of Aragón married the Count of Barcelona, and the gold shield of the latter was adopted by the kingdom. After a battle, however, Ramón Berenguer, Count of Barcelona, wiped his bloody fingers down the shield and thereafter it became "or with five pales gules" — gold with five red stripes.
Waved in USAP , quite beautiful on masse , look out for them when Munster come calling on sunday .

[intothewest]

The harp with the Angel combined is in fact Hibernia (the motherland) not an angle. Hibernia is the roman name for Ireland. The world did not begin with the British, who themselves liked to model themselves on the Roman Empire, the Romans modelled themselves on the Greeks and so it continues. Hence Roman style classical architecture adapted by the British (classical columns for example) was in fact based on Greek architecture.

A word on imperialism and occupation by another country. It is not uncommon for an occupying country to adapt the symbols of the country they have settled . It is very stupid however to suggest that such symbols and heritage are automatically lost to the natives of that country. If this were true 6 / 700 years of Irish history and heritage would be lost to us and our heritage . Cities like Dublin , Limerick and Cork would be British , not Irish.

It is also stupid to suggest that things such as Georgian architecture are not part of our heritage because they are British. It’s not like our labour , talent and money was not used to build these things. Ireland was the most taxed region of the British empire. It’s not like we took a tea break for 6/ 7 hundred years and watched while Yorkshire men built our country.

Ireland as a country has a massive heritage that is influenced by the British occupation. To ignore this is childish. To pretend it is not Irish heritage is simplistic.

By the Way Cork was found of referring to itself as a Loyalist City. You can find Many pictures of Patrick street decked out in Union Jacks. Cork was a city of greet significance under British rule. Cork hosted the World Fair in 1906. its demise began in the War of independence , and continued in the Civil war . Where the myth of the rebel county was created by Nationalists and Anti treaty factions. The city has never recovered, this is not a slag of Cork but a recognition that the city was on a path to greatness in the early 1900's under British rule.

Let’s not forget also that the British army popularised rugby in Limerick by having regular matches between the army garrison and the Dock workers of Limerick.

I know that some Munster folk will think this is being insulting. But going back to my point, this is simply part of our heritage. And it is therefore an Irish heritage because it is part of us.

By the way , I would also not assume that the game of rugby is English. The Webb Ellis story is not far off a fairly tale. Many a historian believe that the game of Chad is in fact the origins of rugby. Chad is a very old Irish game where a player would run with a ball into a defined zone. It was the job of the opposing team to stop him running for this zone. Sound familiar ??

Good post BB, you are right in all you say of course..Hibernia,its believed, is speculated as being how the romans wrote the "Britons" pronouciation of "Iverni (a)"..the Ivernii being the ancient inhabitants of modern Cork/Kerry. Of course, we have an English heritage, some of it good, some of it...not so good. They f*cked up all our place names.."Phoenix park...Bally this n that"...then again look at the Irish rail map from 1906...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_R ... n_1906.jpg
Then look at it now...we had the most updated and exensive rail network in Europe at the beginning of the 20th century.

P.S: Ever hear the theory/legend/myth/bullsh*t about why "Rugby" should be called "Nenagh" BB?! I kid you not..Webb-Ellis father was in RIC in Nenagh and its possible that when picking up the ball and running with it, he was doing as he had seen in his youth when they played Caid by running with the ball in North Tipp!

Yes thats it Caid, thats what I was talking about. Have you seen or read any of the History of Irish rugby by Edmund van esbeck (I think thats how you spell the name) . Its out of print now but I have a copy. He expands of this theory in the book, very interesting. I think there is a lot of truth in the links, or that Webb Ellis saw caid or Gealic football in Ireland. Where the fairy tale bit in the webb ellis comes in is the idea that this was the begining of rugby. As if games where you picked up a ball and ran with it were not in existance already.

Havent seen that book,must try to find it in some old bookshop. Sounds interesting. Ive read plenty stuff on the origins of Rugby, Gaelic and aussie rules though...probably all intertwined...Plenty material if you even do a google search...Caid in its various forms was being played all over Britain and Ireland for literally centuries..Hurling is even older..."Football"..presumably a Caid-type game is mentioned in the statutes of Galway from the early 16th century...theres also a game the Italians have (name escapes me)...roughly a mix of Olympic handball and Rugby..its very old aswell. This thread needs re-naming...the History of Flags,Rugby and..other stuff!!

[limecat]

Not really about Rugby at this stage and definitely not really Leinster related...

[rosscarrick]

So can anyone wrap this up in a line or two?

[gfo]

http://www.worldflags101.com/polyester- ... rf1160p.pd

if anyone wants it