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Postby Mackman15 » July 20th, 2010, 12:48 pm

This possibly needs a thread at some stage given that its getting closer and closer. The great debate about the Captain's picks shall rage between now and show time.

As an aside, the brother and i are going for the Sunday matchs and are contemplating the Boat and driving to Newport. Has anyone here done the drive through Wales or have you choosen to stick to motorways etc? Are their any pearls of wisdom out there as regards Holyhead to newport?
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Hornet » July 20th, 2010, 1:38 pm

Mackman15 wrote:As an aside, the brother and i are going for the Sunday matchs and are contemplating the Boat and driving to Newport. Has anyone here done the drive through Wales or have you choosen to stick to motorways etc? Are their any pearls of wisdom out there as regards Holyhead to newport?


Go via Rosslare, not into Holyhead. It will take you longer to Drive through Wales than the combined Drive down to Rosslare and Drive from Fishguard or Pembroke Dock to Newport. Roads from West Wales to Newport are Dual Carriageway/Motorway. Takes about 2hrs to 2:30hrs from Ferry Port to Newport.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » July 20th, 2010, 3:52 pm

Unfortunately the Ferry times for Rosslare are muck. First light on Saturday and 2:40 on the Monday morning. You'd have driven back to Holyhead by that stage to get a similarly timed Ferry to Dublin.

I was looking at flying into to Cardiff on Sunday morning and hiring a car but wait for it... The hire car companies don't open till lunch hour. It wouldn't happen under Michael Smurfit.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Hornet » July 20th, 2010, 7:30 pm

Bristol???
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby icebaby » July 20th, 2010, 8:11 pm

think I'm going into Bristol - there are trains to Newport - guess there might be shuttles
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » July 21st, 2010, 11:48 am

Now looking at flying into Cardiff Sat lunch Hour, hire car to get around and out via Bristol.
Very Reasonable at €163.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby simplythebest » July 21st, 2010, 10:35 pm

Mackman15 wrote:This possibly needs a thread at some stage given that its getting closer and closer. The great debate about the Captain's picks shall rage between now and show time.

As an aside, the brother and i are going for the Sunday matchs and are contemplating the Boat and driving to Newport. Has anyone here done the drive through Wales or have you choosen to stick to motorways etc? Are their any pearls of wisdom out there as regards Holyhead to newport?


Yeap have driven it, and its a wagon of a drive. It is incredibly slow. Don't bank on averaging more than 35mph.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby simplythebest » July 21st, 2010, 10:37 pm

By the way, delighted that Darren Clarke and Paul McGinley have been picked as Vice Captains. Great choices and two real nice guys.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » July 21st, 2010, 11:31 pm

simplythebest wrote:Yeap have driven it, and its a wagon of a drive. It is incredibly slow. Don't bank on averaging more than 35mph.


Yikes, i drove it via Birmingham once but couldn't help but think that we were going round the world to get there.
Yeah great news on Clarke and McGinley. I wouldn't entirely write off Clarke from getting in around the house and challanging for a position. In fact, being asked to become a vice captain would serve as much as an encouragment to proove himself as capable of doing it again.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Sea_point » July 22nd, 2010, 1:11 am

Hornet wrote:
Mackman15 wrote:As an aside, the brother and i are going for the Sunday matchs and are contemplating the Boat and driving to Newport. Has anyone here done the drive through Wales or have you choosen to stick to motorways etc? Are their any pearls of wisdom out there as regards Holyhead to newport?


Go via Rosslare, not into Holyhead. It will take you longer to Drive through Wales than the combined Drive down to Rosslare and Drive from Fishguard or Pembroke Dock to Newport. Roads from West Wales to Newport are Dual Carriageway/Motorway. Takes about 2hrs to 2:30hrs from Ferry Port to Newport.


Yep, that would be the sensible shout alright direct into South Wales....
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby icebaby » July 22nd, 2010, 11:00 pm

Am only going for the Thursday and Friday - flights return including taxes into Bristol (Wed to Sat) are €20. IBIS Bristol near train station good price too.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby suisse » July 23rd, 2010, 8:35 am

simplythebest wrote:Darren Clarke - real nice guy


You think?
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » August 9th, 2010, 1:54 pm

World Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Rory MCILROY
3 Graeme MCDOWELL
4 Luke DONALD

5 Edoardo MOLINARI
6 Ian POULTER
7 Padraig HARRINGTON
8 Justin ROSE
9 Martin KAYMER
10 Francesco MOLINARI


European Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Graeme MCDOWELL
3 Ian POULTER
4 Rory MCILROY
5 Ross FISHER
6 Martin KAYMER
7 Francesco MOLINARI
8 Miguel Angel JIMÉNEZ
9 Padraig HARRINGTON
10 Ross McGOWAN


Westwood in trouble, Langer 'Not being ruled out'
Garcia effectively pulling out this morning.
One good week required from Harrington and he's automatically in.

It's all happening this week in Ryder Cup Watch.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby dod » August 16th, 2010, 4:22 pm

Now that Casey has the last qualifying place ( for now ) who do you think will get the 3 picks?? I think that monty will pick paddy h ( his old foursomes partner ). Also then in the reckoning will be Alvaro Quiros ( all that power would be very helpful in a fourball ) and Franceso Molinari to partner his brother.. That leaves donald and rose as the unlucky 2 get left out. However with 2 games left to play both Molinari and Quiros could play themselves in.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » August 16th, 2010, 6:08 pm

World Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Rory MCILROY
3 Martin KAYMER
4 Graeme MCDOWELL

5 Luke D.
6 Ed Molinari
7 Ian Poulter
8 Paddy H.
9 Justin Rose
10 Francesco MOLINARI


European Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Martin KAYMER
3 Rory MCILROY
4 Graeme MCDOWELL

5 Ian P.
6 Ross FISHER
7 Francesco MOLINARI
8 Miguel Angel JIMÉNEZ
9 Paul Casey

10 P Harrington


1) Can't continence Harrington not being picked, just can't see it. Although there was great 'Copy' made of the fact last time that Faldo had given Poulter a free pass from Gleneagles rather than challanging him to go and get himself into the team and provide Faldo with two choices rather than the one, a position enforced by Poulter. PH has told Monty that he is committed to a Special Olympics event on at the same time as Gleneagles and that he won't be changing his schedule. Terrific organisation that it is i accept and a very strong gesture from Harrington IMO which could, (albeit unlikely) blow up in his face. Monty doesn't strike me as one to be backed into a corner and if the cap fits last time out....... Same can be said in some respects for Casey who is standing at the Cliff edge.

2) The Langer thing is a non story ...... Move on.

4) Very hard to see passed Donald and Rose simply on standings both are within touching distance on both points lists. Donald being a nose in front.

5) No Swede/ Scandinavian and a certain absence of experience. Without wishing to make it sound like a political move i do believe that it will serve a function to have one of the many Swedes on the team. Hanson is there or there abouts, Stenson is off the boil completely so i would suggest the most likely on form alone is Robert Karlsson. I accept that his putting can be very nervy at times and that this is only a theory but he fits the experience route and has the distance for Celtic Manor.

6) i'd accept the 'Molinari brothers' suggestion if Monty had more room to play with but alas it isin't there and he unlikely to pick a debutant to partner another debutant regardless of them being brothers...... Could you imagine two italian brothers pucking the head off each other if things went pear shaped.... It would be more entertaining than any 'Team Phil &Tiger' show from the past.

7) Discount anybody beyond Rhys Davis on either list. Sorry Darren.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Sauvignon Blank » August 17th, 2010, 10:45 am

Mackman15 wrote:World Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Rory MCILROY
3 Martin KAYMER
4 Graeme MCDOWELL

5 Luke D.
6 Ed Molinari
7 Ian Poulter
8 Paddy H.
9 Justin Rose
10 Francesco MOLINARI


European Points List
Pos Player Name
1 Lee WESTWOOD
2 Martin KAYMER
3 Rory MCILROY
4 Graeme MCDOWELL

5 Ian P.
6 Ross FISHER
7 Francesco MOLINARI
8 Miguel Angel JIMÉNEZ
9 Paul Casey

10 P Harrington


1) Can't continence Harrington not being picked, just can't see it. Although there was great 'Copy' made of the fact last time that Faldo had given Poulter a free pass from Gleneagles rather than challanging him to go and get himself into the team and provide Faldo with two choices rather than the one, a position enforced by Poulter. PH has told Monty that he is committed to a Special Olympics event on at the same time as Gleneagles and that he won't be changing his schedule. Terrific organisation that it is i accept and a very strong gesture from Harrington IMO which could, (albeit unlikely) blow up in his face. Monty doesn't strike me as one to be backed into a corner and if the cap fits last time out....... Same can be said in some respects for Casey who is standing at the Cliff edge.
He will pick Harrington because he rates him so highly. Potentially a Cup winner, however, more likely to hinder Europe with his form at the moment. His singles record is going south whilst his driving would infuriate a 4somes partner. Politically tho', Monty won't cause a sensation and will pick him. I wouldn't pick him but I'm not captain.

2) The Langer thing is a non story ...... Move on.
Non event.

4) Very hard to see passed Donald and Rose simply on standings both are within touching distance on both points lists. Donald being a nose in front.
Both these are fine technical exponents of the game. Finding suitable 4somes partners is a big conumdrum for Monty, Donald is straight off the tee but very short and a distinctly average putter, no great loss IMHO. Rose is by far the better Golfer but who to pair him with? I think Casey would be a good option.

5) No Swede/ Scandinavian and a certain absence of experience. Without wishing to make it sound like a political move i do believe that it will serve a function to have one of the many Swedes on the team. Hanson is there or there abouts, Stenson is off the boil completely so i would suggest the most likely on form alone is Robert Karlsson. I accept that his putting can be very nervy at times and that this is only a theory but he fits the experience route and has the distance for Celtic Manor.
I wouldn't mind either on the team. They are proud Men who won't let Europe down. Swedes and Danes have a great record in the Ryder Cup. Karlsson hammered Leonard 5&3 in the singles on 2008. Hes played 4somes with Harrington and has the 54 hole record around celtic manor.

6) i'd accept the 'Molinari brothers' suggestion if Monty had more room to play with but alas it isin't there and he unlikely to pick a debutant to partner another debutant regardless of them being brothers...... Could you imagine two italian brothers pucking the head off each other if things went pear shaped.... It would be more entertaining than any 'Team Phil &Tiger' show from the past.
I agree with your assertion, IMHO the jury is still out on Eduardo Molinari. The opposite could happen where the 2 of 'em develop a complex and siege-like mentality much like those those other 2 latin legends Seve & Ollie. I wouldn't discount them just yet.

7) Discount anybody beyond Rhys Davis on either list. Sorry Darren
Maybe so Mackman but Clarke has a habit of upping his game for the Ryder Cup..a la K Club. He rarely if ever lets us down and is a real jewel in the European crown. Ask Lee Westwood who he'd like to partner going into battle against Mickelson & Furyk, Woods & DiMarco, Duval & LoveIII etc. And whats more, I know who my money would be on
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » August 17th, 2010, 1:48 pm

One scenario which hasn't been considered yet is what would happen if Westwood were to be declared unfit.
It certainly sounds as if he'd be physically fit but whether he'd be 'match fit' is another thing.
If that were the case I assume it goes to the next best qualified which at this stage is Harrington.

We should add in to the mix

8 ) The Czech Open– Don’t be surprised if someone like Dyson or Hanson comes right out of the pack and straight in there to scatter the bottom order. Realistically i think only the winning of it would cause waves but nonetheless.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Sauvignon Blank » August 17th, 2010, 3:29 pm

Mackman15 wrote:One scenario which hasn't been considered yet is what would happen if Westwood were to be declared unfit.
It certainly sounds as if he'd be physically fit but whether he'd be 'match fit' is another thing.
If that were the case I assume it goes to the next best qualified which at this stage is Harrington.

We should add in to the mix

8 ) The Czech Open– Don’t be surprised if someone like Dyson or Hanson comes right out of the pack and straight in there to scatter the bottom order. Realistically i think only the winning of it would cause waves but nonetheless.


..also

9) Celtic Manor is a US type Golf Course. This will suit the yanks and it won't be the stroll in the park for Europe that some are suggesting.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Degz » August 17th, 2010, 4:55 pm

On the 'getting there' question, birmingham to newport on the train is less than two hours and cheap as chips if booked in advance. The drive would also be quicker than Holyhead, and probably similar to Fishguard.
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Re: The Ryder Cup 2010, Celtic Manor.

Postby Mackman15 » August 17th, 2010, 5:52 pm

Degz wrote:On the 'getting there' question, birmingham to newport on the train is less than two hours and cheap as chips if booked in advance. The drive would also be quicker than Holyhead, and probably similar to Fishguard.


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