Academy 2017/2018

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Academy players not picked for Leinster A

Sean McNulty(Hooker/Year 3)
Oisin Heffernan(TH Prop/Year 3)
Ronan Kelleher(Hooker/Year 1) - injured
Caelan Doris(Backrow/Year 1) - injured
Charlie Rock(Scrumhalf/Year 3)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Year 2) - injured
Gavin Mullin(Centre/Year 1) - injured
Tommy O'Brien(Centre-Wing/Year 1) - injured
Terry Kennedy(Wing/Year 2) - injured
Jack Kelly(Fullabck/Year 2) - injured

Aungier?

forget about him.

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Anyone know who's in the sub-academy this year?

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Academy players not picked for Leinster A

Sean McNulty(Hooker/Year 3)
Oisin Heffernan(TH Prop/Year 3)
Jack Aungier(TH Prop/Year 1)
Ronan Kelleher(Hooker/Year 1) - injured
Caelan Doris(Backrow/Year 1) - injured
Charlie Rock(Scrumhalf/Year 3)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Year 2) - injured
Gavin Mullin(Centre/Year 1) - injured
Tommy O'Brien(Centre-Wing/Year 1) - injured
Terry Kennedy(Wing/Year 2) - injured
Jack Kelly(Fullabck/Year 2) - injured

Loughman must be playing very well at tighthead to keep Heffernan at bay. According to some Terenure guys, he is playing very good high-tempo rugby in a rejunvenated Terenure pack in the AIL. A bit old-school as a prop in that he doesn't hit the front at training but is a big match-day contributor. They've seen off Con, Garryowen and Mary's thus far and you can't do that without big contributions from your tight-head.

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Academy players not picked for Leinster A

Sean McNulty(Hooker/Year 3)
Oisin Heffernan(TH Prop/Year 3)
Jack Aungier(TH Prop/Year 1)
Ronan Kelleher(Hooker/Year 1) - injured
Caelan Doris(Backrow/Year 1) - injured
Charlie Rock(Scrumhalf/Year 3)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Year 2) - injured
Gavin Mullin(Centre/Year 1) - injured
Tommy O'Brien(Centre-Wing/Year 1) - injured
Terry Kennedy(Wing/Year 2) - injured
Jack Kelly(Fullabck/Year 2) - injured

Loughman must be playing very well at tighthead to keep Heffernan at bay. According to some Terenure guys, he is playing very good high-tempo rugby in a rejunvenated Terenure pack in the AIL. A bit old-school as a prop in that he doesn't hit the front at training but is a big match-day contributor. They've seen off Con, Garryowen and Mary's thus far and you can't do that without big contributions from your tight-head.

Good to hear Heffernan is playing well, as reports on him in previous seasons weren't great.

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Academy players not picked for Leinster A

Sean McNulty(Hooker/Year 3)
Oisin Heffernan(TH Prop/Year 3)
Jack Aungier(TH Prop/Year 1)
Ronan Kelleher(Hooker/Year 1) - injured
Caelan Doris(Backrow/Year 1) - injured
Charlie Rock(Scrumhalf/Year 3)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Year 2) - injured
Gavin Mullin(Centre/Year 1) - injured
Tommy O'Brien(Centre-Wing/Year 1) - injured
Terry Kennedy(Wing/Year 2) - injured
Jack Kelly(Fullabck/Year 2) - injured

Loughman must be playing very well at tighthead to keep Heffernan at bay. According to some Terenure guys, he is playing very good high-tempo rugby in a rejunvenated Terenure pack in the AIL. A bit old-school as a prop in that he doesn't hit the front at training but is a big match-day contributor. They've seen off Con, Garryowen and Mary's thus far and you can't do that without big contributions from your tight-head.

Good to hear Heffernan is playing well, as reports on him in previous seasons weren't great.

As said numerous times over the years Heffernan is not pro material good AIL player who may mature as he gets older but would be suprised if he was kept on by Leinster next season

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Anyone know who's in the sub-academy this year?

Not everyone but most of the sub academy players:

Prop
Jordan Duggan(Naas/Newbridge College)
Joe Byrne(DUFC/Blackrock College)
Niall McEniff(St. Marys/St. Marys)

Hooker
Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers/CBC Monkstown)
Dan Sheehan(DUFC/Clongowes Wood College)
Cathal Duff(Naas/Clongowes Wood College)

2nd Row
Jack Dunne(DUFC/St. Michaels College)
Cormac Daly(Clontarf/North Kildare RFC)
Aaron Browne(Old Wesley/Roscrea-Birr RFC)
Charlie Ryan(UCD/Blackrock College) - u19

Backrow
Richard Dunne(DUFC/Blackrock College)
Max Kearney(DUFC/Belvedere College)
JJ O'Dea(Old Wesley/Navan RFC)
Cian Reilly(UCD/Blackrock College)

Scrumhalf
Patrick Patterson(UCD/Blackrock College)
James Kenny(Lansdowne/Gonzaga College)

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys/Blackrock College)
Harry Byrne(UCD/St. Michaels College) - u19

Outside Backs
Michael Silvester(DUFC/Clongowes Wood College)
James Moriarty(DUFC/Blackrock College)
Sean O'Brien(Clontarf/Mullingar RFC)
Peter Sullivan(Lansdowne/St. Andrews College)
Tom Roche(Lansdowne/Blackrock College)
Conor Dunne(Clontarf/Tullamore RFC)

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As said numerous times over the years Heffernan is not pro material good AIL player who may mature as he gets older but would be suprised if he was kept on by Leinster next season

I'd be surprised to.

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Looking at the academy the following players are in their final year:

Jeremy Loughman(Prop/UCD/22) - has experience of playing loosehead and tighthead prop at AIL level/ Primarily playing playing tighthead in recent years, was leap frogged by Andrew Porter. Would expect him to get a development deal.

Oisin Heffernan(TH Prop/Terenure/22) - strictly a tighthead prop, has struggled somewhat in the AIL and hasn't cemented a place in A side. Wouldn't be a surprise if he wasnt offered a development deal with two players younger than him ahead of him in the pecking order and another closing in on him.

Sean McNulty(Hooker/UCD/22) - the former munster underage player is captaining UCD this season. Hasn't pushed Bryan Byrne for his place in the A team and has yet to make a senior appearance. I'd expect him to get a development deal due to lack of depth at hooker but needs a big season to suggest he has a long leinster career ahead of him.

Josh Murphy(Backrow/Lock/UCD/22) - the blindside flanker is a good player who does all the basics well, but given the depth in the backrow at leinster he would struggle to get gametime. Played 2nd row at the weekend for the A team and looks noticeably bulkier this season. Could see him getting a development deal to see if he has a long term future at 2nd row.

Charlie Rock(Scrumhalf/Lansdowne/22) - the diminutive scrumhalf moved to Lansdowne this season from Old Belvedere. Likely will get a development deal due to lack of depth in the position, although he could be under pressure if new academy scrumhalf Hugh O'Sullivan continues his quick progression through the academy.

Ian Fitzpatrick(Wing/Lansdowne/23) - the oft injured winger, has managed to avoid injury so far this season while also playing 7's for Ireland. Needs a big season to get a development deal with younger wingers in the academy pushing for the same.

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Leinster players who were at Ireland u20 camp in September, injured players not invited:

LH Prop
Joe Byrne(Blackrock/DUFC)
Jordan Duggan(Newbridge/Naas)
Niall McEniff(St Marys/St Marys)

TH Prop
Jack Aungier(Suttonians RFC-St.Fintans/St. Marys)

Hooker
Ronan Kelleher(St Michaels/Lansdowne)
Eoghan Clarke(CBC Monkstown/Wanderers)

2nd Row
Jack Dunne(St Michaels/DUFC)
Cormac Daly(North Kildare RFC/Clontarf)

Backrow
Caelan Doris(Blackrock/St. Marys)
JJ O'Dea(Navan RFC/Old Wesley)

Outhalf
Harry Byrne(St Michaels/UCD) - u19

Outside Backs
Tommy O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD)
Sean O'Brien(Mullingar RFC/Clontarf)
Tom Roche(Blackrock/Lansdowne)
Peter Maher(Belvedere/Old Belvedere)
Michael Silvester(Clongowes/DUFC)
Myles Carey(St. Marys/St. Marys)

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Sub Academy players playing for Leinster A

Richard Dunne(Openside/DUFC)
Conor Dean(Bench Outhalf/St. Marys)
Michael Silvester(Winger/DUFC)

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Thought this was an interesting comparison of the size of Dowling, Murphy and Molony.



Often the biggest worry about Molony is his relative lack of size, listed at 6'6 111kg, well he looks notably bigger than both Dowling & Murphy in this picture, both who are listed at 6'5 105kg.

Now it could be the angle but thought it was interesting.

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Yeah being brutally honest I wasn't impressed by Dowling at u-20 last year and don't think he'll make it. We're just pretty desperate for second rows.

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Yeah being brutally honest I wasn't impressed by Dowling at u-20 last year and don't think he'll make it. We're just pretty desperate for second rows.

Dont think they were desperate for 2nd rows last season, but agree that Dowling is unlikely to make it at the top level, mostly due to his physical limitations.

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Thought this was an interesting comparison of the size of Dowling, Murphy and Molony.



Often the biggest worry about Molony is his relative lack of size, listed at 6'6 111kg, well he looks notably bigger than both Dowling & Murphy in this picture, both who are listed at 6'5 105kg.

Now it could be the angle but thought it was interesting.

The angles can be deceiving sometimes and players might not be standing up straight.

I'd agree though that Dowling is another small second row that doesn't stand out physically. It's worth bringing him into the academy because he might surprise.

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Thought this was an interesting comparison of the size of Dowling, Murphy and Molony.



Often the biggest worry about Molony is his relative lack of size, listed at 6'6 111kg, well he looks notably bigger than both Dowling & Murphy in this picture, both who are listed at 6'5 105kg.

Now it could be the angle but thought it was interesting.

The angles can be deceiving sometimes and players might not be standing up straight.

I'd agree though that Dowling is another small second row that doesn't stand out physically. It's worth bringing him into the academy because he might surprise.

Yeah, he is only 20, he will fill out physically and may surprise.

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Told the following 5 trinity players involved with Ireland u20 this week:

Joe Byrne(Prop/Blackrock College)
Jack Dunne(2nd Row/St. Michaels College)
Richard Dunne(Backrow/Blackrock College)
Max Kearney(Backrow/Belvedere College)
Michael Silvester(Wing-Fullback/Clongowes Wood College)

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Prop
Oisin Heffernan(Year 3/TH Prop/Terenure) - started at 3.
Jeremy Loughman(Year 3/TH Prop/UCD) - started at 3.
Vakh Abdaladze(Year 1/LH Prop/Clontarf) - started at 1.
Jack Aungier(Year 1/TH Prop/St. Marys) - didn't play this weekend.

Joe Byrne(DUFC) - started at 3.
Jordan Duggan(Naas) - started at 1.

Hooker
Sean McNulty(Year 3/UCD) - started at 2.
Ronan Kelleher(Year 1/Lansdowne) - not active.

Dan Sheehan(DUFC) - bench.
Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers) - unknown.
Stephen McLaughlin(Blackrock) - started at 2.

Lock
Oisin Dowling(Year 1/Lansdowne) - started at 5.

Cormac Daly(Clontarf) - started at 4, 1 try.
JJ O'Dea(Old Wesley) - started at 5.
Jack Dunne(DUFC) - started at 5.

Backrow
Peadar Timmins(UCD) - started at 8.
Josh Murphy(Year 3/UCD) - started at 6.
Will Connors(Year 2/UCD) - 7's duty.
Caelan Doris(Year 1/St. Marys) - injured.

Richard Dunne(DUFC) - started at 7.
Alan Francis(Blackrock) - bench.
Ronan Foley(UCD) - bench.
Reuben Pim(DUFC) - bench.

Scrumhalf
Charlie Rock(Year 3/Lansdowne) - started at 9.
Hugh O'Sullivan(Year 1/Clontarf) - started at 9.

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys) - started at 10, 1 con.

Outside Backs
Ian Fitzpatrick(Year 4/Lansdowne) - 7's duty.
Conor O'Brien(Year 2/Clontarf) - 24th man senior team.
Jimmy O'Brien(Year 2/UCD) - 7's duty.
Hugo Keenan(Year 2/UCD) - 7's duty.
Terry Kennedy(Year 2/St. Marys) - 7's duty.
Jordan Larmour(Year 2/St. Marys) - senior team,. 1 try.
Jack Kelly(Year 2/DUFC) - Injured.
Ciaran Frawley(Year 1/UCD) - didn't play this weekend.
Gavin Mullin(Year 1/UCD) - bench.
Tommy O'Brien(Year 1/UCD) - started at 11.

Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) - started at 13, 1 try.
Michael Silvester(DUFC) - started at 15, 2 tries.
Ted O'Donoghue(Terenure) - started a 12.
Tommy O'Callaghan(Old Wesley) - started at 11, 1 try.
Craig Kennedy(St. Marys) - started at 11.
Tom Roche(Lansdowne) - bench.
Myles Carey(St. Marys) - bench.

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Sub academy scrumhalf Paddy Patterson made his return from injury for UCD u20, starting at 9.

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Caelan Doris & Jack Kelly pictured back training yesterday.

Ronan Kelleher also pictured training, hasn't played for Lansdowne this season oddly.

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Sub academy wing/fullback Michael Silvester's try at the weekend:

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status ... 2088320001