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blockhead wrote:DOC was also saying that fatigue with the prem sides was a factor. In December! What will they be like come post 6Ns?
Meanwhile, Quins have named a depleted squad for friday game up in ravers. Surely it has to a 5 pointer for the Ulstermen.
Yeah I think he's on shakier ground there. He was pointing out that Exeter had Saracens and Bath in the run to the game. They romped home against Bath (think it was 42-10 before Bath tacked on some consolation tries). Alot of our players featured in 3 test matches. The English and Welsh Lions appear to be dropping like flies though.

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paddyor wrote:
blockhead wrote:DOC was also saying that fatigue with the prem sides was a factor. In December! What will they be like come post 6Ns?
Meanwhile, Quins have named a depleted squad for friday game up in ravers. Surely it has to a 5 pointer for the Ulstermen.
Yeah I think he's on shakier ground there. He was pointing out that Exeter had Saracens and Bath in the run to the game. They romped home against Bath (think it was 42-10 before Bath tacked on some consolation tries). Alot of our players featured in 3 test matches. The English and Welsh Lions appear to be dropping like flies though.

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Traditionally France have won the 6Ns in the season following a Lions tour.
This season could be different in that traditionally France didn't have to contend with a very competitive Ireland.
Given Ireland's relatively light (and normal) involvement compared to England and Wales, there is a great opportunity for Ireland to win this season's 6Ns.
Scotland have the same opportunity although not necessarily the same resources.
So we could be looking at a season where England could finish runners up to us and Wales are involved in a dog fight with an improving Italy, if the performances of Treviso and Zebo :lol: are anything to go on.
Kiss of Death, I know, but at some stage if we want to win an RWC we are going to have to back ourselves and stop relying on the underdog tag.
If we play NZ twice next AIs then we have to be thinking we are going to win at least one of those matches rather than hoping we will.
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Funny how international sides can prepare for French refs but AP ones cant

Harlequinns have sent a very weakened team to Belfast. If Ulster can get the BP win theyre seriously in contention for a QF as a runner up
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simonokeeffe wrote:Funny how international sides can prepare for French refs but AP ones cant

Harlequinns have sent a very weakened team to Belfast. If Ulster can get the BP win theyre seriously in contention for a QF as a runner up
They’ll still have a tough job of it unless La Rochelle beat Wasps in the Ricoh. Which we don’t want. If La Rochelle lose then we can move ahead of them in the seedlings this weekend. And you’d have to think with a home game against a disinterested Glasgow we should be able to manage 5 points, putting us in a great place going into the last round.

Ulster will have a trip to the Ricoh and a home game against La Rochelle to come after this weekend whereas both Wasps have an away game against a disinterested Quins.....
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molloyjh wrote: They’ll still have a tough job of it unless La Rochelle beat Wasps in the Ricoh. Which we don’t want. If La Rochelle lose then we can move ahead of them in the seedlings this weekend. And you’d have to think with a home game against a disinterested Glasgow we should be able to manage 5 points, putting us in a great place going into the last round.

Ulster will have a trip to the Ricoh and a home game against La Rochelle to come after this weekend whereas both Wasps have an away game against a disinterested Quins.....
In the HCup days I'd be all over the permutations of this, but now I'm just down right confused by the groups. Am I right in saying the top 2 pool winners get home draws for QFs and SFs? Is that why you dont want La Rochelle to win?
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TrapperChamonix wrote:
molloyjh wrote: They’ll still have a tough job of it unless La Rochelle beat Wasps in the Ricoh. Which we don’t want. If La Rochelle lose then we can move ahead of them in the seedlings this weekend. And you’d have to think with a home game against a disinterested Glasgow we should be able to manage 5 points, putting us in a great place going into the last round.

Ulster will have a trip to the Ricoh and a home game against La Rochelle to come after this weekend whereas both Wasps have an away game against a disinterested Quins.....
In the HCup days I'd be all over the permutations of this, but now I'm just down right confused by the groups. Am I right in saying the top 2 pool winners get home draws for QFs and SFs? Is that why you dont want La Rochelle to win?
Exactly. Teams need to finish in the top 2 seeds and hope for all home wins in the QFs to get a home SF. Alternatively teams need to be a runner up in their group, win their away QF and hope that the team they play the SF against is either a pool winner or seeded below them as runners up to get a home SF. Clear as mud, eh!
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The only teams guaranteed a home semi, should they win their (away) QF, are teams seeded 5th at 6th.
3rd and 4th seed teams are guaranteed an away semi no matter what.
It does pose the question as to whether you'd be better off as 4th seed or 5th seed.
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Laighin Break wrote:The only teams guaranteed a home semi, should they win their (away) QF, are teams seeded 5th at 6th.
3rd and 4th seed teams are guaranteed an away semi no matter what.
It does pose the question as to whether you'd be better off as 4th seed or 5th seed.
You would, assuming you win your away QF. But you have to win that first. At the end of the day you're probably better off seeding 1st or 2nd. To get a home SF then you just need the home team from the relevant QF to win. That's probably a safer bet really. Otherwise you're playing silly buggars trying to secure a home SF before ever playing your QF.
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Anyone got any information on this? Some fresh new gouging hell from the suits in Sky and BT, or the possibility of more reasonable price to access Pro14 and European games?

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Hey kids, can you say oligopoly?
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So it looks like a straight shoot out between us, Clermont & La Rochelle for top two. If wasps win today at home to La Rochelle, we look in great shape. I'm assuming Saracens will lose to Clermont. Later on down the line, Ulster or Northampton could do us a favour in home matches. If La Rochelle beat wasps today, then we'll need them to lose away to Ulster AND we'll probably need to beat Montpellier away.

Clermont will probably finish on 27 or 28 points. Hopefully La Rochelle will finish no higher than 24/25. Hopefully we can get to 27, but we could be 23/24. Pools 4 and 5 don't look like they'll produce a top 3 team.

Seeding could be Clermont (28), Leinster (27), La Rochelle (25), Toulon (23), Munster (21), Bath (22), Ulster (21), Saracens (19)
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CiaranIrl wrote:So it looks like a straight shoot out between us, Clermont & La Rochelle for top two. If wasps win today at home to La Rochelle, we look in great shape. I'm assuming Saracens will lose to Clermont. Later on down the line, Ulster or Northampton could do us a favour in home matches. If La Rochelle beat wasps today, then we'll need them to lose away to Ulster AND we'll probably need to beat Montpellier away.

Clermont will probably finish on 27 or 28 points. Hopefully La Rochelle will finish no higher than 24/25. Hopefully we can get to 27, but we could be 23/24. Pools 4 and 5 don't look like they'll produce a top 3 team.

Seeding could be Clermont (28), Leinster (27), La Rochelle (25), Toulon (23), Munster (21), Bath (22), Ulster (21), Saracens (19)

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Wasps 21-3 la Rochelle (4-0) perfect result for Ulster, and us too.
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Great start for Saracens, better for us if they were to win?
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Draw is better
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If Sarries win then both teams will probably end up arond 24pts. So a Clermont win and maybe Sarries could be pipped for a QF spot.
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Great that Wasps won. Puts us in a strong position for top two.

Clermont leading against Sarries now. I'd be happy for Clermont to win this really.
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2 pts in it 20 to go. Clermont with a man in the bin
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Sarries 3 ahead. Both with a man in the bin
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I would be so happy if this finnished 21 all
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