European Rugby Champions Cup

[footrush]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Hope so !.

[Flash Gordon]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Hope so !.

Would definitely take that, we can beat Racing and there's a good chance the Scarlets would be beaten.

[wixfjord]

Aye I'd be delighted with a crack at Toulon or Metro.

[riocard911]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Not being a "punter" meself and not having been great at the ol' sums in school, could anyone explain why the turf accountants say -1 for Leinster and -28 for Munster when they mean they expect them to win by +1 and +28 respectively? It's something I can't get my head around.....

[elfan]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Not being a "punter" meself and not having been great at the ol' sums in school, could anyone explain why the turf accountants say -1 for Leinster and -28 for Munster when they mean they expect them to win by +1 and +28 respectively? It's something I can't get my head around.....

It means that for the matches in question Leinster are starting with a handicap of -1 and Munster with -28

[Lar]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Not being a "punter" meself and not having been great at the ol' sums in school, could anyone explain why the turf accountants say -1 for Leinster and -28 for Munster when they mean they expect them to win by +1 and +28 respectively? It's something I can't get my head around.....

Effectively yes. -1 for Leinster really means they cannot call it in my view.

It may not be popular on here and I hope I am proved wrong but I just see MHR wanting to finish the group on a high with a home win for their fans, particularly after the dispiriting show in Exeter last week. I think they will edge this and my hope is for us to get a lbp to guarantee first seed status.

Interesting the bookies have Scarlets favourites in Llanelli. I'd be delighted to see them win. 4 Pro14 teams in the last 8 would be great.

[Barry]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

had my crystal ball out earlier in the week and came up with the same seeds 1 - 7 but had Toulon as 8th seed. Key to this weekend is securing seeds 1 or 2 and avoiding Exeter in the QF's.

[riocard911]

How the bookies see it:

Leinster -1
Exeter -9
Sarries -25
ASM -11
Scarlets -6
Munster -28
R92 -5
Coventry -4
ASR -30

My predictions for the QF:

1 Leinster v 8 R92
2 ASM v 7 Exeter
3 Munster v 6 Ulster
4 La Rochelle v 5 Scarlets

Not being a "punter" meself and not having been great at the ol' sums in school, could anyone explain why the turf accountants say -1 for Leinster and -28 for Munster when they mean they expect them to win by +1 and +28 respectively? It's something I can't get my head around.....

It means that for the matches in question Leinster are starting with a handicap of -1 and Munster with -28

Sorry. What does that mean? How can Leinster have a "handicap" of minus one point, when the bookies are expecting them to win by plus one? The word handicap I understand as something negative. Here it seems to be something positive. I would have thought Montpellier are the one with the handicap of minus one as they are the team expected to lose by a point; so they're a point behind before the match has started that they have to make up. They to me would be the ones with the handicap. There's a logic here I can't follow. Please explain further!!!

[limecat]

Sorry. What does that mean? How can Leinster have a "handicap" of minus one point, when the bookies are expecting them to win by plus one? The word handicap I understand as something negative. Here it seems to be something positive. I would have thought Montpellier are the one with the handicap of minus one as they are the team expected to lose by a point; so they're a point behind before the match has started that they have to make up. They to me would be the ones with the handicap. There's a logic here I can't follow. Please explain further!!!

I think it means that if Leinster started the match at -1 points and Montpelier at 0, the bookies expect the outcome to be a draw.

[kermischocolate]

In betting you get a handicap because you are deemed to be better than the opposition.

The handicap is how much of a headstart the opposition could have and you'd still win.

I think.

[elfan]

Take Munster as an example. Munster are 1/50 to win the match. Most people will not have a bet at such odds. So the bookies offer handicap betting to make it more attractive. So if you bet on Munster with the handicap(-28) the bookies are giving odds of 10/11. This means that Munster have to win by more than 28 points for you to win your bet. Or you could say for sake of the bet that Munster are starting the game on -28 points. If Muster win by more that 28 points you win your bet. If they win by 28 or less you lose.
Not sure if this explains it but best I can do

[riocard911]

Sorry. What does that mean? How can Leinster have a "handicap" of minus one point, when the bookies are expecting them to win by plus one? The word handicap I understand as something negative. Here it seems to be something positive. I would have thought Montpellier are the one with the handicap of minus one as they are the team expected to lose by a point; so they're a point behind before the match has started that they have to make up. They to me would be the ones with the handicap. There's a logic here I can't follow. Please explain further!!!

I think it means that if Leinster started the match at -1 points and Montpelier at 0, the bookies expect the outcome to be a draw.

That I can understand. Grma, Limecat!!!

[FLIP]

Sorry. What does that mean? How can Leinster have a "handicap" of minus one point, when the bookies are expecting them to win by plus one? The word handicap I understand as something negative. Here it seems to be something positive. I would have thought Montpellier are the one with the handicap of minus one as they are the team expected to lose by a point; so they're a point behind before the match has started that they have to make up. They to me would be the ones with the handicap. There's a logic here I can't follow. Please explain further!!!

I think it means that if Leinster started the match at -1 points and Montpelier at 0, the bookies expect the outcome to be a draw.

Not quite. The bookies would expect Leinster to still win with a 1 point handicap.

So say for example, we win 18-16. If we had a handicap of -1, we would still win 17-16. If we had a handicap of -2, the score would be 16-16 and the bookies wouldn't pay out on a Leinster to win handicap bet.

[riocard911]

Take Munster as an example. Munster are 1/50 to win the match. Most people will not have a bet at such odds. So the bookies offer handicap betting to make it more attractive. So if you bet on Munster with the handicap(-28) the bookies are giving odds of 10/11. This means that Munster have to win by more than 28 points for you to win your bet. Or you could say for sake of the bet that Munster are starting the game on -28 points. If Muster win by more that 28 points you win your bet. If they win by 28 or less you lose.
Not sure if this explains it but best I can do

Gotcha now, Elfan. Thank you very much.

[neill_m]

In betting you get a handicap because you are deemed to be better than the opposition.

The handicap is how much of a headstart the opposition could have and you'd still win.

I think.

Indeed, also to factor in if 2 sides are evenly matched in the bookies' eyes, then the home side will be around -4 and the away side +4. So to take Munster as an example, they are considered 24 points favourites in their game + the element of home advantage.

[Laighin Break]

Sorry. What does that mean? How can Leinster have a "handicap" of minus one point, when the bookies are expecting them to win by plus one? The word handicap I understand as something negative. Here it seems to be something positive. I would have thought Montpellier are the one with the handicap of minus one as they are the team expected to lose by a point; so they're a point behind before the match has started that they have to make up. They to me would be the ones with the handicap. There's a logic here I can't follow. Please explain further!!!

I think it means that if Leinster started the match at -1 points and Montpelier at 0, the bookies expect the outcome to be a draw.

Not quite. The bookies would expect Leinster to still win with a 1 point handicap.

So say for example, we win 18-16. If we had a handicap of -1, we would still win 17-16. If we had a handicap of -2, the score would be 16-16 and the bookies wouldn't pay out on a Leinster to win handicap bet.

I think it does reflect that the bookies would expect the outcome to be a draw if we started -1 to 0, or 0 to +1 (Montpellier's handicap), but that they'll pay out if it would be a win. (So they're hoping the don't have to pay out)

[simonokeeffe]

even if only one English side goes through thatd be great, but zero, now that would be sweet

[blockhead]

The other game in our grouo, line-ups.

Glasgow: S Hogg, T Seymour, H Jones, A Dunbar, Leonardo Sarto, F Russell, G Horne; J Bhatti, G Turner, S Halanukonuka, R Harley, J Gray (capt), M Fagerson, M Smith, A Ashe.

Replacements: G Stewart, A Allan, D Rae, G Peterson, C Fusaro, A Price, P Horne, L Jones.

Exeter: P Dollman; L Turner, H Slade, I Whitten, O Woodburn; G Steenson (capt), N White; B Moon, L Cowan-Dickie, H Williams, M Lees, J Hill, D Ewers, D Armand, S Simmonds.

Replacements: E Taione, M Low, T Francis, T Salmon, M Kvesic, W Chudley, J Simmonds, T Gilbert-Hendrickson.

I think Glasgow will not want to go 6 for 6. Exeter are in for tough game.

[footrush]

even if only one English side goes through thatd be great, but zero, now that would be sweet

Have a real soft spot for Exeter been to both of our games there and find there supporters knowledgeable and warm hearted they have a great integrity about their club and the way they compete.

[TerenureJim]

even if only one English side goes through thatd be great, but zero, now that would be sweet

Have a real soft spot for Exeter been to both of our games there and find there supporters knowledgeable and warm hearted they have a great integrity about their club and the way they compete.

It's hard not to like the way they do their business, no big names just a carefully selected and developed squad/team