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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 21st, 2020, 11:52 am

Ruckedtobits wrote:
neiliog93 wrote:That's terrifying, he looks very good value for the 196 cm height listing in that pic..


Bobby Sheehan is every cm of his Stats


Do you rate him? or is he too big?
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Morf » May 21st, 2020, 12:30 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 21st, 2020, 12:47 pm

Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.


Didnt say otherwise
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Morf » May 21st, 2020, 10:23 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.


Didnt say otherwise


Sorry it wasn't directed at you directly rather than the fascination with broncos and Barrett's time because there's f*** all else to talk about for media/fans.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » May 21st, 2020, 11:31 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:
neiliog93 wrote:That's terrifying, he looks very good value for the 196 cm height listing in that pic..


Bobby Sheehan is every cm of his Stats


Do you rate him? or is he too big?

Wouldn’t say he’s too big as his brother Dan Sheehan is bigger than him
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » May 21st, 2020, 11:33 pm

Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.

If you know anything about rugby or did any rugby training during the professional era you would know that fitness is the most important aspect of the game now days, no point being talented if you have no work rate, they hardly do it for no reason if it has little transfer to rugby
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » May 21st, 2020, 11:36 pm

Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.

And that’s why New Zealand are the best team in the world 99% of the time
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 22nd, 2020, 7:44 am

Pilotman123 wrote:Wouldn’t say he’s too big as his brother Dan Sheehan is bigger than him


No he isn't. 6'3, 110kg vs 6'5, 111kg
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » May 22nd, 2020, 11:08 am

mildlyinterested wrote:
Pilotman123 wrote:Wouldn’t say he’s too big as his brother Dan Sheehan is bigger than him


No he isn't. 6'3, 110kg vs 6'5, 111kg


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/du ... ?s=612x612
Those stats aren’t always reliable, judging by that photo Dan Sheehan is bigger than him in terms of muscle mass and looks a lot stronger than him. Dan looks heavier than him aswell and there’s not much between their height judging by that picture
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 22nd, 2020, 11:57 am

Looks bigger to me, at least height wise.

It's certainly a question about both brothers in regards to their unusual size for the position, Dan said his scrum height is his biggest work on, so safe to say Bobby has same issue as he is taller.

“Scrummaging has always been my main ‘work-on’, the big issue when it came to my height, developing from the schools and amateur levels into professional rugby,” said Sheehan.

“I have learned there are different ways you can use your physical size to your benefit from working with John Fogarty and Robin McBryde this year.

“It is all about the set-up before engagement, getting my height down to the same level as the two props either side of me to work into a space where I can get my feet to the position where I want to get to, to be able to launch the scrum. It isn’t an issue anymore. But, it is something I have to always work on.”


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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby riocard911 » May 22nd, 2020, 12:55 pm

It's an issue however for the second rows in trying to get a shove on, if the hooker is much taller than his props and his bum is correspondingly further back than theirs.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 22nd, 2020, 1:09 pm

With the Sheehan brothers and Lee Barron theres a bunch of taller hookers coming through system, either by design or coincidence, RK is hardly short by hooker standards either.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Morf » May 22nd, 2020, 11:23 pm

Doesn't a more French-style arrow scrum suit a taller hooker?

Feel free to add detail here because being led by the hooker slightly ahead is my limited awareness of it.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 23rd, 2020, 8:18 am

Kilkenny College players Charlie Tector(Outhalf) and Ryan Strong(Centre) have been selected Leinster U19 Remote Training this summer.
Jake Calbeck(Lock) on being selected for Leinster U20 Remote Training this summer.

Balbriggan RFC players Abdul Olaosebikan(Openside) and Aitzol King(Wing) have been called up to the U19 remote Leinster Summer Programme

Boyne RFC players Dylan Lynch & Karl Martin who have been selected for the Leinster U19s Summer Programme.
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 24th, 2020, 8:38 am

Tullamore RFC players who have been chosen for the Leinster U18 & U19 extended training squads

David Dooley (U18), 2nd season in leinster u18 squad.
Ronin Daly (U18)
Ronan Fox (U18)
Scott Milne (U19)
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 26th, 2020, 8:33 am

Incomplete u18 schools training squad:

Props

George Morris - Gonzaga
Ben Bislin - Castleknock
Paddy McCarthy - Blackrock
Dylan Rogan - St Michaels

Hooker
Zach Baird - St Michaels, brother of leinster play Ryan, 2nd season in leinster u18 squad.
Leo Dowling - Clongowes
Gus McCarthy - Blackrock

Locks
David Woods - St Michaels
James Ruddy - Clongowes
Diarmuid Mangan - Newbridge, 2nd season in leinster u18 squad.
Max Dunne - St Michaels, brother of leinster player Jack
Daniel Leane - St Marys

Back Row
Oisin Spain - Wesley
Max Scully - Temple Carrie
Louis McGauran - St Marys
Dan Carroll - St Michaels
Noah Maguire - Gonzaga
Ethan Hauer - CUS

Scrum Half
Fintan Gunne- St Michaels, 2nd season in leinster u18 squad.
Harry McGoey - Clongowes
Conor Tracey - St Marys

Out half
Sam Prendergast - Newbridge
Zach Quirke - Blackrock

Centres
Sam Berman - St Michaels
Lucas Berti - Newbridge, 2nd season in leinster u18 squad.
Jed Tormey - Belvedere
Harry Kenny - Pres Bray
Matthew Victory - St Michaels

Back 3
Reuben Moloney - Blackrock
James Nicholson- St Michaels
Hugh Wilkinson - Clongowes
Hugh Cooney - Blackrock
Michael Carmody - Belvedere
Davy Colbert - Gonzaga
Henry McErlean - St. Michaels
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby Workhorse » May 26th, 2020, 1:01 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:
Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Apparently a Leinster academy scrumhalf(PP?) did the bronco test in 4.06 mins


It's a fitness test with relatively little transfer to rugby.

Proves your aerobic fitness but has no relation to passing ability, decision-making etc.

Just something that Aus/NZ rugby has a horn for.

If you know anything about rugby or did any rugby training during the professional era you would know that fitness is the most important aspect of the game now days, no point being talented if you have no work rate, they hardly do it for no reason if it has little transfer to rugby


This sort of conversation always comes up regarding fitness work in rugby, particularly the bronco and bench press. The reason they get so much attention is because they're easy to relate to. And yes fitness is important but playing rugby is a different type of fitness to being able to run 10k. That said the bronco is a better indicator than most since it involves sharp turns, which is part of what makes it hard.
The bronco itself does have little transfer to rugby but its what you do around it that makes the results of interest to rugby and rugby fitness coaches
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 26th, 2020, 2:45 pm

Last summers u18 training squad, cup activity:

Props
Jack Boyle(Prop/St. Michaels College) - started 1
Jonathan Sargent(Prop/Belvedere College) - started 1
Luke McMahon(Prop/Clongowes Wood College) - started 3
Hugh Flood(Prop/Belvedere College) - started 3
Rory McGuire(Prop/Blackrock College) - bench
Luke Hammond(Prop/Gonzaga College)

Hooker
Scott Barron(Hooker/Blackrock College) - started 1
Fred Happonen(Hooker/St. Gerards College) - started 2
Zach Baird(Hooker/St. Michaels College) - bench

Lock
Diarmuid Mangan(Lock/Newbridge College) - started 5
Mark Morrissey(Lock/Blackrock College) - started 4
Martin Healy(Backrow/CUS) - started 4
Noah Pim(Backow/Kilkenny College) - started 4
Conor O Tighearnaigh(Lock/St. Michaels College)
Cameron Baird(Lock-Backrow/St. Michaels College)

Backrow
Jonathan Ross(Backrow/Belvedere College) - started 6/8
Eoghan Rutledge(Backrow/Belvedere College) - started 7
Stephen Woods(Backrow/St. Michaels College) - started 4
Donough Lawlor(Backrow/Newbridge College) - started at 8
Conor Booth(Backrow/St. Michaels College) - started at 7
Luke Dunleavy(Backrow/Newbridge College) - bench/started 7
David Walsh(Backrow/Blackrock College)- bench
Harry O'Neill(Backrow/Clongowes) - bench

Scrumhalf
Fintan Gunne(St. Michaels College) - started 9
Connor Halpennyy(Newbridge College) - bench
Michael Moloney(Blackrock College) - bench
Gavin Begley(Newbridge College)

Outhalf
Eoin Quinn(CBC Monkstown) - started 10
Charlie Tector(Kilkenny College) - started 10
Nathan Gallagher(St. Michaels College)

Outside Backs
Lucas Berti-Newman(Newbridge College) - bench/started 12
Fionn Gibbons(Castleknock College) - started 13
Daniel Hawkshaw(Belvedere College) - started 13/15
Tom Henderson(Blackrock College) - started 14
Patterson Kidd(Terenure College)- started15
Shane Mallon(CC Roscrea) - started 13
Hugo McWade(St. Michaels College) - started 12
Dylan O'Grady(Belvedere College) - started 15
Luka Hassett(Gonzaga College) - bench
Callum O'Reilly(St. Michaels College)
Stephen Morris(St. Gerards College)
Zach Harrison(St. Michaels College)
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby neiliog93 » May 26th, 2020, 5:07 pm

How tall is Cameron Baird and might he be as good/athletic as Ryan Baird?
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Re: Leinster Academy 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » May 26th, 2020, 5:49 pm

neiliog93 wrote:How tall is Cameron Baird and might he be as good/athletic as Ryan Baird?


Probably 6'4 and no that's very unlikely, he is one of the stranger inclusions in the squads in recent years as he didn't make Michaels SCT squad for the cup after starting most of their friendlies precup.
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