Dave Cahill wrote:curates_egg wrote:
Ah I get that. But at least they actually wanted to play for Ireland, as opposed the highest bidder.
Umm, is that not what they actually did? Stander, Strauss et al all came over here for one reason and one reason only, they were signed by the union to the provinces for this reason. They were here to play for Ireland from day one. No matter what they thought of the place, how much they liked it or hated it, how much we liked or hated them, they were here for the green jersey, and only because the other green jersey was out of reach. They were bought and paid for from day one.
Stander is a perfect example to counterbalance with Aki actually, so I'm glad you did me the service of referring to him yourself.
He came to Ireland and from day one gave total commitment to the project he had signed up to. You may find his approach twee but he has been totally and demonstrably committed to Ireland (and Munster) in his time here. He (and his partner) have gone to great lengths to demonstrate that commitment. There has never been talk of him jumping ship, despite being at Munster during a very tumultuous time, with 3 different head coaches...and no trophies.
He has talked the talk and walked the walk.
Aki - in contrast - has not even bothered to pretend he is committed to Ireland for anything other than the money. Had his head turned at various times, and (supposedly) had to be seriously cajoled into staying after Lam announced he was leaving. It makes Irish rugby seem pathetic.
So, yeah, Stander is the shining example I would hold up in defence of naturalising players.
Aki is a perfect example for those who like to bash the system. Hopefully, he won't be as perfect as Josh Stauss. If, as it seems, he will become an Irish international, I hope he stays until the World Cup at least.
As to SOK's comment on Ringrose: I honestly think Henshaw and Ringrose would be a better combo for Ireland. Not an option this autumn of course.