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[molloyjh]

I would be very surprised if Leinster were allowed sign yet another back 3 player, especially after Ulster were not allowed sign a scrum half, and Munster the same with tight head.

It depends on the context of the signing though. At 3 and 9 you only ever have 1 on the pitch at any given time. If that's a foreign player then that's an issue as that 1 player directly blocks every other IQ player in his position. In the back 3 if you have 1 foreign player you've 2 IQ ones. That in itself is a very different scenario.

Leinster have 2 NIQs in the back 3 now, but that hasn't stopped them developing Byrne and ROL. Nacewa has shifted around to suit whoever is available and Kirchner has been a bit part player who has only stepped in when needed really. So if the back 3 player is one who doesn't cause any issues with the development of IQ talent then it shouldn't be an issue.

[goreyguy]

How much would Byrne and ROL developed if Dave K and McFadden had never got injured?

Thankfully we will never know, now hopefully their form is rewarded.

[Dexter]

How much would Byrne and ROL developed if Dave K and McFadden had never got injured?

Thankfully we will never know, now hopefully their form is rewarded.

How would most players get their chance and develop if nobody ever got injured? It's not a realistic scenario.

[suisse]

I would be very surprised if Leinster were allowed sign yet another back 3 player, especially after Ulster were not allowed sign a scrum half, and Munster the same with tight head.

True. We haven't really produced any back 3 players recently. Apart from Rob and Dave Kearney, Fergus McFadden, Luke Fitzgerald, Adam Byrne, Rory O'Loughlin and we've seen a couple move on, like Andrew Conway and Cian Kelleher.

I know your wording is designed to draw a response; very surprised and yet another so well done there.

Comparing and contrasting foreign signings with Ulster and Munster. Imagine.

[wixfjord]

Comparing the Pienaar situation to our back three situation is not a great argument.
As Suisse says above, we've consistently delivered outside backs to the national side, unlike Ulster with 9s.
Munster TH scenario is probably closer, albeit you only have 1 TH on the pitch as Molloy says, and I don't think Rassie could be too annoyed at the NIQ/E/joker hand he has been dealt.

Getting Isa re-signed AND an AAC style signing would definitely be a good result and is technically against the protocols, but it seems they're more a guide and can be ignored. Given how little we've used Zane, the fact we might not even have another non project in the squad next year, I think it's possible that Nuci would go for that. We shall see.

[simonokeeffe]

worth referring back to Lucifora saying (with pretty much reference to us) than the 4 NIQ slots arent an entitlement

[munster#1]

I would be very surprised if Leinster were allowed sign yet another back 3 player, especially after Ulster were not allowed sign a scrum half, and Munster the same with tight head.

True. We haven't really produced any back 3 players recently. Apart from Rob and Dave Kearney, Fergus McFadden, Luke Fitzgerald, Adam Byrne, Rory O'Loughlin and we've seen a couple move on, like Andrew Conway and Cian Kelleher.

I know your wording is designed to draw a response; very surprised and yet another so well done there.

Comparing and contrasting foreign signings with Ulster and Munster. Imagine.

The guidelines laid out by the irfu are that a province can not sign a player in a position that has previously been occupied by a Niq.

If Leinster have isa and an other winger, how much game time will all of these products get.

[wixfjord]

The guidelines laid out by the irfu are that a province can not sign a player in a position that has previously been occupied by a Niq.

If Leinster have isa and an other winger, how much game time will all of these products get.

Guidelines are just that, guidelines, they've already been broken by every other province. With Leinster being bulk suppliers to the national side and bringing through reams of young players, I could see the same happening in this instance.

Leinster currently have Isa and another winger, and all of the products are getting ample game time and thriving.

[All Blacks nil]

The guidelines laid out by the irfu are that a province can not sign a player in a position that has previously been occupied by a Niq.

If Leinster have isa and an other winger, how much game time will all of these products get.

Guidelines are just that, guidelines, they've already been broken by every other province. With Leinster being bulk suppliers to the national side and bringing through reams of young players, I could see the same happening in this instance.

Leinster currently have Isa and another winger, and all of the products are getting ample game time and thriving.

The other winger's name is Zane Kirchener.


As you say guidelines are guidelines. If Leinster want to sign ACC, I see no reason why they shouldn't, but Kelleher left last year........and therein lies the problem.
Personally, I feel Leinster's breakthrough crop of back three players have the potential to go all the way. That route will surely be hampered by the presence of the likes of ACC. Realistically, the young guns would not have received quite as much time if DK and Thumbs were not injured this season. AAC will be another (expensive) roadblock.
As it stands the roster consists of RK, ZK (presume ACC replaces), ISA, ROL, AB, DK, FMcF and a few other youngsters. The Academy is full of potential. Why sign a 33 year old on a jolly tour of Europe?
As a Munster supporter, I would love to see Leinster use up a NIQ slot in what is an area of serious strength. I would much prefer that to them addressing the glaring weaknesses at Second Row (an injury to Toner would be catastrophic, but in fairness he seems indestructible) and Scrumhalf (one injury away from at the very least sub ECC standard)

[wixfjord]

The guidelines laid out by the irfu are that a province can not sign a player in a position that has previously been occupied by a Niq.

If Leinster have isa and an other winger, how much game time will all of these products get.

Guidelines are just that, guidelines, they've already been broken by every other province. With Leinster being bulk suppliers to the national side and bringing through reams of young players, I could see the same happening in this instance.

Leinster currently have Isa and another winger, and all of the products are getting ample game time and thriving.

The other winger's name is Zane Kirchener.


As you say guidelines are guidelines. If Leinster want to sign ACC, I see no reason why they shouldn't, but Kelleher left last year........and therein lies the problem.
Personally, I feel Leinster's breakthrough crop of back three players have the potential to go all the way. That route will surely be hampered by the presence of the likes of ACC. Realistically, the young guns would not have received quite as much time if DK and Thumbs were not injured this season. AAC will be another (expensive) roadblock.
As it stands the roster consists of RK, ZK (presume ACC replaces), ISA, ROL, AB, DK, FMcF and a few other youngsters. The Academy is full of potential. Why sign a 33 year old on a jolly tour of Europe?
As a Munster supporter, I would love to see Leinster use up a NIQ slot in what is an area of serious strength. I would much prefer that to them addressing the glaring weaknesses at Second Row (an injury to Toner would be catastrophic, but in fairness he seems indestructible) and Scrumhalf (one injury away from at the very least sub ECC standard)

It's Zane Kirchner actually, but who's being pedantic?

[Peg Leg]

Aac is not happening. Last time it was we lost a poster here. However the difference between the back 5 guys breaking through over the past 16 months and the next crop is huge wrt age and experience. They are a way off yet.

[CiaranIrl]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is surreal.

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[Dave Cahill]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is surreal.

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[paddyor]

I would be very surprised if Leinster were allowed sign yet another back 3 player, especially after Ulster were not allowed sign a scrum half, and Munster the same with tight head.

True. We haven't really produced any back 3 players recently. Apart from Rob and Dave Kearney, Fergus McFadden, Luke Fitzgerald, Adam Byrne, Rory O'Loughlin and we've seen a couple move on, like Andrew Conway and Cian Kelleher.

I know your wording is designed to draw a response; very surprised and yet another so well done there.

Comparing and contrasting foreign signings with Ulster and Munster. Imagine.

The guidelines laid out by the irfu are that a province can not sign a player in a position that has previously been occupied by a Niq.

If Leinster have isa and an other winger, how much game time will all of these products get.

Like centre for instance? The other part of the guidelines are that you can't replace an NIQ with another NIQ like for instance if you had an NIQ centre and then went on to sign another NIQ centre. That's totally verboten!

[deco]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is fughken unreal.

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[CiaranIrl]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is surreal.

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[munster#1]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is surreal.

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Your opinion of what constitutes a lecture is slightly off.

[deco]

Ryan out of contract and Munster can't afford him, they've got the begging bowl out again. He wants to stay in Ireland, we can afford him. He'd be a good fit for us:

"Ryan is currently on a central IRFU contract, which expires in June 2017, and it is understood that the latest offer being presented to him is a Munster provincial contract. However, it’s believed that there has been some delay in getting the deal over the line, with the IRFU having been hesitant to provide a top-up to that deal to ensure that the player is not taking a large wage cut. There have been expressions of interest in Ryan from France – as has been the case with several other Irish players in the recent past – although it’s understood the player is keen to remain in Ireland."

PS I thought they were all IRFU contracts these days?

[Oldschoolsocks]

Getting lectured by Munster fans about NIQs in Leinster is surreal.

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Your opinion of what constitutes a lecture is slightly off.

You're quite correct m#1, the phrase Ciaranirl was looking for was "sneered at"


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[offshorerules]

Anyone know when Conans contract is next up for renewal?