It’s not equivalent, he competed against his former team. Moving Leinster players to other provinces when he’s Ireland manager is completely different. If he was the Ulster manager and he competed against Leinster people wouldn’t care.[/quote]artaneboy wrote:Good thing Joe didn't "remember when he came from" when Leinster played Clermont. No loyalty shown to his former club.Jonny tight lips wrote:
Joe wasn't the best coach Leinster have ever had over a desire to pay back a club that gave him a chance or any sense of loyalty...
He was the best coach Leinster have ever had because he's an excellent coach, he created the correct culture using excellent coaching methods and enabling the players at his disposal to be what he required them to be. Aside from being technically excellent and extremely dedicated.
This is the exact same thing he is doing with Ireland. The circumstances are different as the stakes are higher.
The man is a professional who has duties and responsibilities for the national team to succeed and will do so how he best sees fit.
We don't have to like it - but going down the "remember where you came from" stuff is just pathetic
This is just getting ridiculous! I’m reading it with disbelief that this type of reasoning still gets declared seriously here.
You can dislike the fact that professional rugby players, clubs and unions, will make choices that disadvantage your team- but to theorise that this constitutes disloyalty or malice (on the part of unions and management) is just incoherent on so many levels.
For a start Joe does not just owe us sweet FA- he actually owes it to Ireland to do wherever he thinks is best for the country’s team.
As to the IRFU wanting Leinster to fail? Well, you could make a reasonable case that the Union wants to even up the standard and therefore competition between provinces. To my view that’s entirely to be expected from a national union. But that’s also a clearly different thing from wishing Leinster ill.
I won’t get into the decrying of the freedom of players to optimise their playing and earning potential. The inferences of disloyal there are just beyond silly.
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There is no need to insult people who think differently to you, we are all fans of the same province who want it to be successful.
I just dont agree that because sport is professional that means players can not show loyalty to a club or province. There is evidence of this on all professional sport by professional players. Back when you could easily play club rugby in France and internationally for Ireland Drico stayed with Leinster out of loyalty, Aun why jones could of gone many places throughout his career but stated with ospreys. Steve bull was a quality player who never left wolves. So it’s not bizarre that players show loyalty to the team that gave them their Careers after all they weren’t born great players and their education isint free. If there are loyal players then the opposite must exsist.
That said even if it is all just about professionalism that dosent explain Mr. Carburys disregarding his professional contract.
I never said the IRFU wanted Leinster to Fail but there policies are hurting our chances of success so it reasonable to express displeasure. Why is it expected for them to even up the provinces, Irish provincial rugby is a success because of the connection of players and fans and the rivalries which are being diminished by this player movement. We should be helping who we want to beat? Look at the welsh unions attendances and their success... that’s what you get from a disconnection between fans and club/province/ region
Finally as I said many times, if the IRFU give developed players to the other provinces it de incentivizes them to fix their problems in bringing through talent. One ulster player in the under 20 six nations after 2 games and he only made the bench.
