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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby curates_egg » February 8th, 2019, 1:25 pm

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This is the measured post that I would not have dared to make. Well done.

He definitely owes us nothing and, if we're honest, his presence has been slightly disruptive to the squad for a number of seasons.

What a joy he was to watch in his pomp. His performances in Schmidt's first two seasons were breathtaking.
With a different coach, he might have made it to a world cup semi in 2011. That was - in my mind - the best back row we have ever had.


Eh...what?


Without going all bluemagic on it, he has definitely been parachuted into squads just ahead of international windows, not always with Leinster's best interest in mind. That is nothing against him in any way, but how the IRFU have exploited the situation.

If you don't agree, that's fine: you rarely do. However, I know a lot of people who do, so we'll leave it there, and not destroy another thread.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby wixfjord » February 8th, 2019, 1:33 pm

curates_egg wrote:
wixfjord wrote:
curates_egg wrote:
This is the measured post that I would not have dared to make. Well done.

He definitely owes us nothing and, if we're honest, his presence has been slightly disruptive to the squad for a number of seasons.

What a joy he was to watch in his pomp. His performances in Schmidt's first two seasons were breathtaking.
With a different coach, he might have made it to a world cup semi in 2011. That was - in my mind - the best back row we have ever had.


Eh...what?


Without going all bluemagic on it, he has definitely been parachuted into squads just ahead of international windows, not always with Leinster's best interest in mind. That is nothing against him in any way, but how the IRFU have exploited the situation.

If you don't agree, that's fine: you rarely do. However, I know a lot of people who do, so we'll leave it there, and not destroy another thread.


Hmmm, personally I don't think our best backrower being placed into squads ahead of international windows isn't 'disruptive'. His performance against Wasps showed that for eg.

The big bad IRFU wanting one of their stars to get game time in a province they are in charge of is fair to me.

Usually when people call someone a 'disruptive presence', there's a bit more to it than than trying to get a guy fit for club and province. In fact, I'd say his desire to get back fit and play a part despite unfortunate injuries is inspiring to young guys and others in the squad.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby arsebiscuits1 » February 8th, 2019, 1:34 pm

bluemagic wrote:Leinster will lose SOB and Reid this year. They’ll potentially lose Kearney, Fardy, McGrath on top of this. Add that to last years loss of Isa nacewa and jordi Murphy and it’s a worrying exodus.....

Unlike other provinces we won’t be able to buy foreigners or take as we please from the other provinces. IRFU have decided to use Leinster as a farm for young players, part of this is clearing the bigger players out at the top so the young lads get plenty of game time.


Neither of these points are related.

I think you need to tweak your ranting algorithm. It's spitting out strange results
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby curates_egg » February 8th, 2019, 1:39 pm

wixfjord wrote:Hmmm, personally I don't think our best backrower being placed into squads ahead of international windows isn't 'disruptive'.


From the perspective of an Ireland or Lions fan, it is only positive that the IRFU exploited the contractual situation that way.
Generally, but particularly on this forum, my perspective is that of a Leinster fan.
In that context, I take a different view to you clearly. However I know a majority of Leinster fans I know agree with my view.
So, as per above, let's move on.

Rather than debate the IRFU, I would prefer to focus on the rest of the content of my post about SOB, and remember the hugely positive contribution he personally always made to Leinster over the past decade.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby OTT » February 8th, 2019, 1:39 pm

curates_egg wrote:
wixfjord wrote:
curates_egg wrote:
This is the measured post that I would not have dared to make. Well done.

He definitely owes us nothing and, if we're honest, his presence has been slightly disruptive to the squad for a number of seasons.

What a joy he was to watch in his pomp. His performances in Schmidt's first two seasons were breathtaking.
With a different coach, he might have made it to a world cup semi in 2011. That was - in my mind - the best back row we have ever had.


Eh...what?


Without going all bluemagic on it, he has definitely been parachuted into squads just ahead of international windows, not always with Leinster's best interest in mind. That is nothing against him in any way, but how the IRFU have exploited the situation.

If you don't agree, that's fine: you rarely do. However, I know a lot of people who do, so we'll leave it there, and not destroy another thread.


What I would say is that having SOB around was probably a contributing factor in Jordi going up north for example (if you listened to the left wing podcast before Christmas), Jordi always felt he would lose his place automatically if certain faces were fit and he felt he was better then that. We all love SOB but from a Leinster perspective Jordi gave us a lot more in the last couple of years then SOB has so I think his presence has effected things even if it is outside his control.

Obviously he has been a phenomenal player for Leinster and Ireland but he has been mostly unavailable for us for a few years but he is still a huge presence in the squad so I do get the point if I might have worded it differently.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby curates_egg » February 8th, 2019, 1:42 pm

OTT wrote:What I would say is that having SOB around was probably a contributing factor in Jordi going up north for example (if you listened to the left wing podcast before Christmas), Jordi always felt he would lose his place automatically if certain faces were fit and he felt he was better then that. We all love SOB but from a Leinster perspective Jordi gave us a lot more in the last couple of years then SOB has so I think his presence has effected things even if it is outside his control.


Was debating precisely this point last night with a mate. Would Jordi have gone if SOB were not there?
We will never know. It is definitely a big blow to have lost six experienced back row players in 3/4 seasons (Jennings, Ryan, McLaughlin, Heaslip, Jordi and now SOB).
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » February 8th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Just out of curiosity, have the IRFU ever wanted to contract a player that a province didn't? Not saying that happened at all in this case but when the rumours started it got me thinking that we really couldn't justify the kind of wages he'd demand and it does make selection easier for Leo IMO.

It's probably more likely to have happened where someone was IQ in a position where we were very light on numbers but the province felt they'd be better off without them. Again I'm not saying it happened in this case but you could see it with someone like Ah You where Connacht would have felt that he didn't work hard enough and they could make better use of their resources, but the IRFU would have felt that we were too desperate for props at the time.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby desperado » February 8th, 2019, 1:44 pm

bluemagic wrote:Happy to see the back of him. Didn’t give a damn about playing for Leinster last few years. If it helps Deegan and Doris stay then I’m happy


Fup me!! that's some statement. Do you know the man?
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » February 8th, 2019, 1:46 pm

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bluemagic wrote:Happy to see the back of him. Didn’t give a damn about playing for Leinster last few years. If it helps Deegan and Doris stay then I’m happy


Fup me!! that's some statement. Do you know the man?


It's a well known fact that he broke his arm in November just to avoid Leinster duty over Christmas.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby RobbieRockBoy » February 8th, 2019, 1:50 pm

Assume just like Zebo, he will now be immediately dropped from the Irish squad?
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby wixfjord » February 8th, 2019, 1:50 pm

curates_egg wrote:
wixfjord wrote:Hmmm, personally I don't think our best backrower being placed into squads ahead of international windows isn't 'disruptive'.


From the perspective of an Ireland or Lions fan, it is only positive that the IRFU exploited the contractual situation that way.
Generally, but particularly on this forum, my perspective is that of a Leinster fan.
In that context, I take a different view to you clearly. However I know a majority of Leinster fans I know agree with my view.
So, as per above, let's move on.

Rather than debate the IRFU, I would prefer to focus on the rest of the content of my post about SOB, and remember the hugely positive contribution he personally always made to Leinster over the past decade.


The majority of Leinster fans you know see Sean O'Brien as a disruptive presence for the last few years?
I'd try to get out of that bubble if I were you!
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby tingman » February 8th, 2019, 1:59 pm

LeinsterLeader wrote:Well now that's been sorted there should be nothing standing in the way of tadhg beirne coming back from Munster. He can play back row

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Now wouldn't that be nice.....
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby cormac » February 8th, 2019, 2:33 pm

£450k a year. He must have some agent.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby OTT » February 8th, 2019, 2:38 pm

cormac wrote:£450k a year. He must have some agent.


Kidney paying restitution for all those Irish squads he left him out of.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » February 8th, 2019, 2:39 pm

cormac wrote:£450k a year. He must have some agent.


Doesn't say much for London Irish either, sounds like a teenager offered that based on some YouTube tribute videos.

Don't mean to be harsh on SOB, he'll always give his all and I'd say he'll be useful to them from a leadership/standards POV regardless of how much he plays, but with his injury record they shouldn't be putting all their eggs in his basket.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby Dave Cahill » February 8th, 2019, 2:40 pm

Thats something that puzzles me, SOB has never been a particular fan of Kidney in the past.
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » February 8th, 2019, 2:46 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Thats something that puzzles me, SOB has never been a particular fan of Kidney in the past.


Yeah but for 450k I'd even go for a pint with Mildy,
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby LeinsterLeader » February 8th, 2019, 3:16 pm

Jaysus all the Leinster transfer news anymore seems to be outgoing. Could really do with some uplifting signing news.

It' would be about a year a head of schedule but what say you all for another Isa come back? :D
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby maps » February 8th, 2019, 3:34 pm

RobbieRockBoy wrote:Assume just like Zebo, he will now be immediately dropped from the Irish squad?


Yes, from what I’ve been told, Saturday is likely to be his last game for Ireland.
Which is part of the reason he is starting ahead of VdF
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Re: Rumour Mill

Postby ronk » February 8th, 2019, 3:50 pm

maps wrote:
RobbieRockBoy wrote:Assume just like Zebo, he will now be immediately dropped from the Irish squad?


Yes, from what I’ve been told, Saturday is likely to be his last game for Ireland.
Which is part of the reason he is starting ahead of VdF


That would make no sense mid tournament.

SOB, if true, is leaving after the RWC so there’s no timing issue around developing a replacement. POC wasn’t dropped for the last RWC so it’s entirely consistent.
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