Start Madigan v wasps

[fourthirtythree]

No he isn't. You can't see Mad dog dragging half a team over the line with him while scoring a try in the Pro12 like The Good Doctor would do. He was a better 12 than 10 though.

Nor is he better than Sexton who exerts a control and authority from 10 like I have never seen before. It's inventive and creative but collected.

He has a longer boot than Johnny or Dr., better pace than either, a better step than Johnny, doesn't make as big hits but is all action defensively. He would have been champing at the bit if Johnny had stayed and we might have struggled to hold on to him. Now the cat is out of the bag and everybody else knows what we already knew.

[hugonaut]

Well, in the end, he didn't do too bad did he? Sexto out, Mads is the new Doctor Phil. All the gripes about Madigan are about things that are very fixable. His potential is stratospheric.

Mads is better than Dr Phil.

Contepomi played in four World Cups and was a IRB International Player of the Year nominee. He also scored 416 points for Leinster in a single season, which is scarcely believable [source: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/result ... WAJ8KWaAdU – 2005-06 season]. Scoring 200 points in a season is a huge deal, scoring 400+ will probably never be repeated.

So let's not get carried away quite yet.

[awaaf]

and of course he was .. like ... a proper Dr.

[domhnallj]

and of course he was .. like ... a proper Dr.

Really, I thought he was a medical graduate?

Thoroughly enjoyed the game, biggest problem was the transport to the ground. Our bus suffered a shattered suspension due to too many fatsos on board and we had to hoof it most of the way. Really like the stadium and there was plenty to shout about. Special mention to the ladies on my right for getting most of the chanting going in the dreams stand.

[dropkick]

The difference between Madigan and Dr Phil is Madigan looks to have the temperament to handle high pressure games.

[Tox56]

Well, in the end, he didn't do too bad did he? Sexto out, Mads is the new Doctor Phil. All the gripes about Madigan are about things that are very fixable. His potential is stratospheric.

Mads is better than Dr Phil.

Contepomi played in four World Cups and was a IRB International Player of the Year nominee. He also scored 416 points for Leinster in a single season, which is scarcely believable [source: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/result ... WAJ8KWaAdU – 2005-06 season]. Scoring 200 points in a season is a huge deal, scoring 400+ will probably never be repeated.

So let's not get carried away quite yet.

Madigan already has 202 points this season, that's without being first choice goalkicker for a fair amount of the games he played, missing out on several games altogether because he was behind Sexton, and with up to 6-7 games still to play (depending on how far Leinster get in Rabo/Amlin of course).

Some of his stats are just phenomenal though, 8 tries in all comps combined with an 86% goalkicking rate (in the Rabo). He needs to learn the art of running a backline, but if you contribute that much in attack while remaining a deadly goalkicker you're gonna be a useful player.

[hugonaut]

Contepomi played in four World Cups and was a IRB International Player of the Year nominee. He also scored 416 points for Leinster in a single season, which is scarcely believable [source: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/result ... WAJ8KWaAdU – 2005-06 season]. Scoring 200 points in a season is a huge deal, scoring 400+ will probably never be repeated.

So let's not get carried away quite yet.

Madigan already has 202 points this season, that's without being first choice goalkicker for a fair amount of the games he played, missing out on several games altogether because he was behind Sexton, and with up to 6-7 games still to play (depending on how far Leinster get in Rabo/Amlin of course).

Some of his stats are just phenomenal though, 8 tries in all comps combined with an 86% goalkicking rate (in the Rabo). He needs to learn the art of running a backline, but if you contribute that much in attack while remaining a deadly goalkicker you're gonna be a useful player.

Just has to score 215 points in the next month and a half then!

Listen, I'm as big a Madigan fan as anybody, but saying that he's better than Contepomi at this stage of his career just doesn't add up. Contepomi played in three RWC quarter-finals, captained his country, played fourteen years of international rugby and was legitmately one of the best players in the world for about two years. As impressive as Mads' 8 tries thus far in the season is [and it's very, very impressive, especially on the back of an 8 try season last year], Contepomi scored 15 tries for Leinster in a single season in 2005-06.

Madigan isn't at his peak yet, and he looks like he could go on to be a really special player at test level. It was ridiculous that he wasn't in an international squad before this year, but that's Declan Kidney for you – a really poor selector.

[paddyor]

Contepomi played in four World Cups and was a IRB International Player of the Year nominee. He also scored 416 points for Leinster in a single season, which is scarcely believable [source: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/result ... WAJ8KWaAdU – 2005-06 season]. Scoring 200 points in a season is a huge deal, scoring 400+ will probably never be repeated.

So let's not get carried away quite yet.

Madigan already has 202 points this season, that's without being first choice goalkicker for a fair amount of the games he played, missing out on several games altogether because he was behind Sexton, and with up to 6-7 games still to play (depending on how far Leinster get in Rabo/Amlin of course).

Some of his stats are just phenomenal though, 8 tries in all comps combined with an 86% goalkicking rate (in the Rabo). He needs to learn the art of running a backline, but if you contribute that much in attack while remaining a deadly goalkicker you're gonna be a useful player.

Just has to score 215 points in the next month and a half then!

Listen, I'm as big a Madigan fan as anybody, but saying that he's better than Contepomi at this stage of his career just doesn't add up. Contepomi played in three RWC quarter-finals, captained his country, played fourteen years of international rugby and was legitmately one of the best players in the world for about two years. As impressive as Mads' 8 tries thus far in the season is [and it's very, very impressive, especially on the back of an 8 try season last year], Contepomi scored 15 tries for Leinster in a single season in 2005-06.

Madigan isn't at his peak yet, and he looks like he could go on to be a really special player at test level. It was ridiculous that he wasn't in an international squad before this year, but that's Declan Kidney for you – a really poor selector.

Had a look at the stats. It says Dr Phil played over 2100 that season. Madigan is currently at over 1300. So its a favourable comparison given he's played some of that out of position at 15. Not saying he's as good though it's early days yet

[cormac]

Contepomi was at a different level between 2005 and 2007 to any fly-half I've seen play for Leinster. He was a one-man team at times in Cheika's first season. I suspect his points record from that season will never be topped.

[Oulart]

200 points to catch up 7 games maybe, reckon he can get 30 circa against Munster in Turnip HQ

[Xanthippe]

Contepomi played in four World Cups and was a IRB International Player of the Year nominee. He also scored 416 points for Leinster in a single season, which is scarcely believable [source: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/team/result ... WAJ8KWaAdU – 2005-06 season]. Scoring 200 points in a season is a huge deal, scoring 400+ will probably never be repeated.

Madigan already has 202 points this season, that's without being first choice goalkicker for a fair amount of the games he played, missing out on several games altogether because he was behind Sexton, and with up to 6-7 games still to play (depending on how far Leinster get in Rabo/Amlin of course).

Some of his stats are just phenomenal though, 8 tries in all comps combined with an 86% goalkicking rate (in the Rabo). He needs to learn the art of running a backline, but if you contribute that much in attack while remaining a deadly goalkicker you're gonna be a useful player.

Just has to score 215 points in the next month and a half then!

Dr. Phil played 27 games for Leinster that season (out of 28) and in total missed only 114 minutes all season. If you remove his tries he scored 341 points from kicks and other than these points the only other points scored by the boot that season were 2 penalties and a conversion from Brian O'Meara and a conversion from Rob Kearney.

Madigan has played in 26 of 26 games this season and has missed 134 possible minutes of game play. Although he played in all 26 games he was only the kicker in 14 of them (plus a single late kick in one other game). If you remove his tries he scored 162 points from kicks and other than his points there were also 130 points scored by Sexton from kicks.

The table below compares the kicking of the players. It shows Dr Phil's stats alongside the combined stats for Mads and Sexto and also Mad's and Sexto's individual stats. It also shows their average points per minute and the average number of minutes between points.

[simonokeeffe]

Contepomi also had a dignified shaved head

[Xanthippe]

Contepomi also had a dignified shaved head

Not in 2005/2006 he didn't

[simonokeeffe]

Contepomi also had a dignified shaved head

Not in 2005/2006 he didn't

the important thing is he eschewed the Madigan style jedwardian haircut

[Oldschool]

No he isn't. You can't see Mad dog dragging half a team over the line with him while scoring a try in the Pro12 like The Good Doctor would do. He was a better 12 than 10 though.

Nor is he better than Sexton who exerts a control and authority from 10 like I have never seen before. It's inventive and creative but collected.

He has a longer boot than Johnny or Dr., better pace than either, a better step than Johnny, doesn't make as big hits but is all action defensively. He would have been champing at the bit if Johnny had stayed and we might have struggled to hold on to him. Now the cat is out of the bag and everybody else knows what we already knew.

Mads wouldn't need to drag anyone over the line he'd just sidestep his way thru.
Sexton is better than the good doctor ever was so no argument there.

[Xanthippe]

Contepomi also had a dignified shaved head

Not in 2005/2006 he didn't

the important thing is he eschewed the Madigan style jedwardian haircut

Or perhaps, considering his later baldness, he was simply incapable of reaching the tonsorial heights recently achieved by the Madcut?

[curates_egg]

This is a no brainer. Madigan must start. He looks like becoming a brilliant player and can look forward in the future to a massive contract in France. We should sign him to a 5/6 year contract if we can.

Could the real Raydollard please stand up?
I think it's finally time you revealed yourself, with Madigan having probably started in the RDS for the last time.

This was your first ever post on Madigan at the outset of your profile becoming a bizarre satire-troll of those on the forum who like the cut of Madigan's jib.
It was your first attempt at ironically poking fun but actually proved prescient. Maddog is moving to France on a massive contract and you actually ironically predicted it
I wonder if Bordeaux have been watching his form since they signed him and consulting their lawyers for a get out clause?

Now, if you could reveal yourself and tell me the Lotto numbers for next weekend please

[cormac]

Jeez, some posters really lost the run of themselves on this thread. The comparisons to Contepomi look particularly daft now.

[simonokeeffe]

Jeez, some posters really lost the run of themselves on this thread. The comparisons to Contepomi look particularly daft now.

they both left us for France

[Raydollard]

I blame the cr@p management.