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Postby Dirk Stickler » October 15th, 2015, 8:17 am

This may well have already been discussed here but the IRFU stance on Ian McKinley's situation, & protective goggles in general is appalling.

The lad could easily be over in the UK representing the country at the moment were it not for an accident that took place in an AIL game.

He's being prevented from a full time contract seemingly based on the fact the IRFU won't get involved in the trial of the goggles.

Surely there is something that can be done to highlight this?
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby maps » October 15th, 2015, 8:29 am

It's an unfortunate situation for the player, but the irfu and other unions have their reasons for not allowing these, not least of which is the safety of other players.

Whether that's a ligitimate concern is a matter for debate I guess
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby johng » October 15th, 2015, 8:38 am

Every union bar 3 allow them. Including all the other pro12 unions. So he can play a pro12 game anywhere bar his own country. Is that not ridiculous?
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby deco » October 15th, 2015, 8:43 am

RTE on the case this morning. Hopefully will get sorted sooner rather than later.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby blockhead » October 15th, 2015, 8:58 am

He said he was twice gouged in his good eye at club level here.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Dirk Stickler » October 15th, 2015, 8:59 am

The trial of the goggles was ssanctioned by World Rugby in January 2014, but the IRFU declined to participate. Reasons why goggles shouldn't be allowed, based on the trial, is one thing. To simply not take part is something else entirely.

I appreciate that kids and amateurs playing the game should be as important as the pros but given McKinley's specific status I find the IRFU's stance baffling.

The bloke can now play in all Pro 12 countries apart from his own, where the incident that caused the problem actually took place.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Pendragon » October 15th, 2015, 10:24 am

I am glad that this has been highlighted and always felt that he was a good player. To want to come back after a serious eye problem shows real courage. He deserves to be let play and I hope that he gets the all clear to play wherever he wants. If world rugby sanction it then surely the IRFU can as well.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby deco » October 15th, 2015, 10:35 am

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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby riocard911 » October 15th, 2015, 10:45 am

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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby BlueStreak » October 15th, 2015, 11:13 am

riocard911 wrote:Signed!!!

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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Ray Mc » October 15th, 2015, 1:31 pm

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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Ray Mc » October 15th, 2015, 1:33 pm

Keep this going. I am sure it can get at least 15,000 signatures.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 15th, 2015, 2:23 pm

Does anyone know what the IRFU's reasoning actually is?

I find it so strange that they wouldn't want to actively help to get a solution sorted. From what McKinley said before he's basically been stone walled by them. Even if we all disagreed with their logic, he's owed a proper explanation and the chance to resolve it.

Unbelievable achievement to get to where has has, hope this campaign opens doors for him when his playing days are over too.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby neill_m » October 15th, 2015, 4:09 pm

Anyone know who the other 2 unions are?
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby All Blacks nil » October 15th, 2015, 4:13 pm

neill_m wrote:Anyone know who the other 2 unions are?



England and France
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Leoslovechild » October 15th, 2015, 4:14 pm

neill_m wrote:Anyone know who the other 2 unions are?


England and France
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby neill_m » October 15th, 2015, 4:16 pm

All Blacks nil wrote:
neill_m wrote:Anyone know who the other 2 unions are?



England and France


Leoslovechild wrote:
neill_m wrote:Anyone know who the other 2 unions are?


England and France


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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Flash Gordon » October 15th, 2015, 4:42 pm

maps wrote:It's an unfortunate situation for the player, but the irfu and other unions have their reasons for not allowing these, not least of which is the safety of other players.

Whether that's a ligitimate concern is a matter for debate I guess


They've been extensively tested and I'm also seeing players campaigning to allow Ian to play. Best of luck to the lad its great to see him back on the pitch after everything he's been through.
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby Ruckedtobits » October 15th, 2015, 5:49 pm

IRFU position at time IRB approved the trial was they could not get a supply of the suitable goggles in all sizes with some sort of quality mark or guarantee. As a result, they could not take on the potential liability. Things may have changed by now, but insurance matters never are simple
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Re: Ian McKinley

Postby paddyor » October 15th, 2015, 6:08 pm

Has to do with insurance. Lifted from elsewhere.
From the FFR point of view, the risk is not other players being injured by Cazenave losing his only valid eye during a game. Even if the Federation and thereby insurance companies were left off the hook, it would still be legally possible for the player who would have caused the accident to be tried by Cazenave under normal jurisdiction. Which seems to be the issue, in France at least.


The french player in the same case (Cazenave, see above) is also playing in Italy. He can't play in France as no insurance in the country will cover the risk of the loss of a organ when only one of two is left (the eye in that case, but same goes for kidney, lung, etc). So that risk not being covered by insurance, the FFR won't allow those players on a pitch.
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