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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby johng » May 13th, 2017, 3:55 pm

Loan deal to cover his cousin doncha moving to racing.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 13th, 2017, 4:03 pm

the only time he will wear red is for the lions in 4 years
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby simonokeeffe » May 13th, 2017, 4:45 pm

johng wrote:Loan deal to cover his cousin doncha moving to racing.


Dont you dare
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby El Diablo » May 15th, 2017, 10:40 am

mildlyinterested wrote:James Ryan getting more gametime before the summer tour today for Munster Development against Ireland u20, starting 5.

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If he is going on the Japan tour it is a bit of a kick in the nuts to all the other 2nd rows that have been scraping for provincial shirts all year while he has been in the gym rehabing.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby Leinster Lout » May 15th, 2017, 11:07 am

El Diablo wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:James Ryan getting more gametime before the summer tour today for Munster Development against Ireland u20, starting 5.

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If he is going on the Japan tour it is a bit of a kick in the nuts to all the other 2nd rows that have been scraping for provincial shirts all year while he has been in the gym rehabing.


On that basis, no promising young player would ever get a shot. The reality is that he's our best second row prospect in a long, long time in a position where Ireland are now weakest. It's a perfect opportunity to blood him in a senior set-up against opposition where is unlikely to receive a traumatic introduction to senior international rugby a la Mathew Tait. No-brainer for me.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby riocard911 » May 15th, 2017, 12:33 pm

Leinster Lout wrote:
El Diablo wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:James Ryan getting more gametime before the summer tour today for Munster Development against Ireland u20, starting 5.

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If he is going on the Japan tour it is a bit of a kick in the nuts to all the other 2nd rows that have been scraping for provincial shirts all year while he has been in the gym rehabing.


On that basis, no promising young player would ever get a shot. The reality is that he's our best second row prospect in a long, long time in a position where Ireland are now weakest. It's a perfect opportunity to blood him in a senior set-up against opposition where is unlikely to receive a traumatic introduction to senior international rugby a la Mathew Tait. No-brainer for me.


+1. He's potentially Ireland's Itoje and as such more likely to be appearing at RWC 2019 than his aging Munster namesake Donncha.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 15th, 2017, 1:16 pm

Heard Charlie Rock was moving to Lansdowne for next season.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby neiliog93 » May 15th, 2017, 4:04 pm

He's not Ireland's Itojé. Itjoé is only 18 months older and is a naturally bigger (not taller), more powerful, more explosive athlete. Ryan is a clever player, a line-out operator and a leader, with good mobility, game awareness and ball skills. But he will never have the pure physical impact of Itojé, as so few do.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby simonokeeffe » May 15th, 2017, 6:12 pm

If other second rows dodnt make a case for themselves or take the opportunity then thats on them
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby dropkick » May 16th, 2017, 9:19 am

neiliog93 wrote:He's not Ireland's Itojé. Itjoé is only 18 months older and is a naturally bigger (not taller), more powerful, more explosive athlete. Ryan is a clever player, a line-out operator and a leader, with good mobility, game awareness and ball skills. But he will never have the pure physical impact of Itojé, as so few do.



Think you might be underestimating Ryan there a bit in terms of his physicality. One of the things that struck me about him last year was his speed off the mark. His acceleration is very impressive and allowed him score tries and make crucial tackles.


The English system will have their players a few years ahead of us in terms of conditioning, size etc.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 16th, 2017, 9:30 am

Leinster based players in recent Ireland u20 squad:

Prop
Greg McGrath(Lansdowne)
Rory Mulvihill(UCD)
Charlie Connolly(DUFC)

Hooker
Tadgh McElroy(Lansdowne)
Ronan Kelleher(UCD) - u19

Lock
Jack Regan(UCD)
Cormac Daly(Navan) - u19

Backrow
Paul Boyle(Lansdowne)

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys) - u19

Centre
Ciaran Frawley(UCD)
Gavin Mullin(UCD)
Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) - u19
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby the spoofer » May 16th, 2017, 9:40 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Leinster based players in recent Ireland u20 squad:

Prop
Greg McGrath(Lansdowne)
Rory Mulvihill(UCD)
Charlie Connolly(DUFC)

Hooker
Tadgh McElroy(Lansdowne)
Ronan Kelleher(UCD) - u19

Lock
Jack Regan(UCD)
Cormac Daly(Navan) - u19

Backrow
Paul Boyle(Lansdowne)

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys) - u19

Centre
Ciaran Frawley(UCD)
Gavin Mullin(UCD)
Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) - u19


Is Sean O'Brien from Mullingar? Quite a few Club players in there.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 16th, 2017, 9:50 am

the spoofer wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Leinster based players in recent Ireland u20 squad:

Prop
Greg McGrath(Lansdowne)
Rory Mulvihill(UCD)
Charlie Connolly(DUFC)

Hooker
Tadgh McElroy(Lansdowne)
Ronan Kelleher(UCD) - u19

Lock
Jack Regan(UCD)
Cormac Daly(Navan) - u19

Backrow
Paul Boyle(Lansdowne)

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys) - u19

Centre
Ciaran Frawley(UCD)
Gavin Mullin(UCD)
Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) - u19


Is Sean O'Brien from Mullingar? Quite a few Club players in there.


Yeah, younger brother of academy centre Conor'O'Brien.

McGrath, McElroy, Regan, Daly, Boyle, Frawley and O'Brien ex-club players.

None of whom are expected to make the academy this summer.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 16th, 2017, 10:10 am

U20 highlights, but really just watch it to see James Ryan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yeZnm-q8g
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 16th, 2017, 12:23 pm

So Andrew Porter, James Ryan, Joey Carbery and Rory O'Loughlin all made Ireland squad for Japan tour.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby riocard911 » May 16th, 2017, 12:38 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:So Andrew Porter, James Ryan, Joey Carbery and Rory O'Loughlin all made Ireland squad for Japan tour.


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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 17th, 2017, 8:30 am

The following players graduated from the academy yesterday:

Peter Dooley(LH Prop)
Ross Molony(Second Row)
Peadar Timmins(Backrow)
Nick McCarthy(Scrumhalf)
Ross Byrne(Outhalf)
Tom Daly(Centre)
Rory O'Loughlin(Centre/Wing)
Adam Byrne(Wing)

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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby the spoofer » May 17th, 2017, 9:44 am

mildlyinterested wrote:The following players graduated from the academy yesterday:

Peter Dooley(LH Prop)
Ross Molony(Second Row)
Peadar Timmins(Backrow)
Nick McCarthy(Scrumhalf)
Ross Byrne(Outhalf)
Tom Daly(Centre)
Rory O'Loughlin(Centre/Wing)
Adam Byrne(Wing)

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Did Joey Carbery not graduate in this group too?
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby CiaranIrl » May 17th, 2017, 11:02 am

mildlyinterested wrote:The following players graduated from the academy yesterday:

Peter Dooley(LH Prop)
Ross Molony(Second Row)
Peadar Timmins(Backrow)
Nick McCarthy(Scrumhalf)
Ross Byrne(Outhalf)
Tom Daly(Centre)
Rory O'Loughlin(Centre/Wing)
Adam Byrne(Wing)

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Pretty difficult to see how Tinmins could forge a career at Leinster to be honest. Not due to ability, but I just can't see how he will get enough gametime to develop further.
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Re: Academy 2016/2017

Postby mildlyinterested » May 17th, 2017, 11:07 am

the spoofer wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:The following players graduated from the academy yesterday:

Peter Dooley(LH Prop)
Ross Molony(Second Row)
Peadar Timmins(Backrow)
Nick McCarthy(Scrumhalf)
Ross Byrne(Outhalf)
Tom Daly(Centre)
Rory O'Loughlin(Centre/Wing)
Adam Byrne(Wing)

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Did Joey Carbery not graduate in this group too?


Difference between graduating academy program and moving to a senior contract.
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