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European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby matt » June 28th, 2016, 3:43 am

Draw tomorrow Wed 29th June 1pm.

1st Seeds - Connacht, Racing, Saracens + 2/3 of Leinster, Toulon, Exeter
2nd Seeds - 1/3 from first Seeds above, Wasps, Clermont, Glasgow, + 1/3 Ulster, Montpelier, Leicester
3rd Seeds - 2/3 from 2nd Seeds above, + Northampton, Toulouse, Scarlets
4th Seeds - Castres, Bordeaux Begles, Sale, Munster, Zebre

A Group of Leinster, Montpelier, Leicester and Zebre would be the best we could hope for.

Nightmare Group would be Toulon or Racing, Leinster, Northampton and Castres.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 9:09 am

Think you left out Mike Philips' Sale
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby matt » June 28th, 2016, 10:41 am

Thanks now corrected
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby enby » June 28th, 2016, 11:02 am

can we draw team from Ireland?

3rd seeds look stronger than 2nds
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 11:09 am

enby wrote:can we draw team from Ireland?

3rd seeds look stronger than 2nds


No we cant, would sell a few tickets though
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby COYBIB » June 28th, 2016, 11:41 am

Main thing is to avoid Northampton as our 3rd seeds to have a decent chance of getting out of the group. Might be better off winding up as second seeds than first seeds...I'd take Racing or Exeter ahead of Wasps or Clermont.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Dave Cahill » June 28th, 2016, 11:44 am

COYBIB wrote:Main thing is to avoid Northampton as our 3rd seeds to have a decent chance of getting out of the group. Might be better off winding up as second seeds than first seeds...I'd take Racing or Exeter ahead of Wasps or Clermont.


How about Sarries and Montpellier
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 11:49 am

Clermont is an easy sell for the aviva

Racing; dependent on Carter

Clermont, Scarlets, Sale my dream draw
Toulon, Saints, Bordeaux my nightmare
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby COYBIB » June 28th, 2016, 11:52 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
COYBIB wrote:Main thing is to avoid Northampton as our 3rd seeds to have a decent chance of getting out of the group. Might be better off winding up as second seeds than first seeds...I'd take Racing or Exeter ahead of Wasps or Clermont.


How about Sarries and Montpellier


That would mean we'd probably get Zebre too? Would be a doable group, especially if we only need 2nd. No matter what, we'll more than likely have a tough group, such is the tournament structure these days.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Dave Cahill » June 28th, 2016, 11:56 am

simonokeeffe wrote:Clermont is an easy sell for the aviva

Racing; dependent on Carter

Clermont, Scarlets, Sale my dream draw
Toulon, Saints, Bordeaux my nightmare



People are sick of Clermont and Toulon - the last ASM CA game in the Aviva was anything but an easy sell, it was like pulling teeth. It took months and every promotional tool, gimcrack and gimmick in the book

Racing if they have DC will fill the place, but they'd f%~king destroy us. Sarries would be a nightmare game to sell especially if the recent risk-averse climate in LR continues and they'd f%~king destroy us.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Dave Cahill » June 28th, 2016, 11:58 am

COYBIB wrote:
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COYBIB wrote:Main thing is to avoid Northampton as our 3rd seeds to have a decent chance of getting out of the group. Might be better off winding up as second seeds than first seeds...I'd take Racing or Exeter ahead of Wasps or Clermont.


How about Sarries and Montpellier


That would mean we'd probably get Zebre too?


Nope, not at all, we could just as likely get Sale, Castres or UBB.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 12:30 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Clermont is an easy sell for the aviva

Racing; dependent on Carter

Clermont, Scarlets, Sale my dream draw
Toulon, Saints, Bordeaux my nightmare



People are sick of Clermont and Toulon - the last ASM CA game in the Aviva was anything but an easy sell, it was like pulling teeth. It took months and every promotional tool, gimcrack and gimmick in the book

Racing if they have DC will fill the place, but they'd f%~king destroy us. Sarries would be a nightmare game to sell especially if the recent risk-averse climate in LR continues and they'd f%~king destroy us.


Whatever about me dropping the ball on ASM surely Sarries an easy sell as champions of Europe? Plus theyd have us in Wembley and would be a big Irish crowd

Clermont I think we could take at home too which is important. Only team we could take (that we can get) from Tier1 would be Exeter
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Dave Cahill » June 28th, 2016, 1:41 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
Whatever about me dropping the ball on ASM surely Sarries an easy sell as champions of Europe? Plus theyd have us in Wembley and would be a big Irish crowd

Clermont I think we could take at home too which is important. Only team we could take (that we can get) from Tier1 would be Exeter


They should be, its true, champions of Europe playing some pretty good rugby too. But the man on the street who wouldn't watch them much only gets to hear and see the narrative, particularly in the Irish media, than has them as the slow death of the sport (and thats not even going into their noxious carry on off the field). Thats why it would be a hard sell I believe.
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 1:52 pm

I for one could not stomach losing to them on BT so dont want to get them, or be drawn in tier 2
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby cormac » June 28th, 2016, 4:46 pm

Am I right in thinking that we can't draw the Scarlets from Tier 3 in any situation?
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 6:15 pm

cormac wrote:Am I right in thinking that we can't draw the Scarlets from Tier 3 in any situation?


We can, just have to have one French and one English side, and no other Irish side
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Xanthippe » June 28th, 2016, 6:54 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
cormac wrote:Am I right in thinking that we can't draw the Scarlets from Tier 3 in any situation?


We can, just have to have one French and one English side, and no other Irish side


No we can't - no team can draw another team from their own league until pool 4 (and from Pool 4 no Irish team can draw Munster)
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 8:05 pm

Xanthippe wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
cormac wrote:Am I right in thinking that we can't draw the Scarlets from Tier 3 in any situation?


We can, just have to have one French and one English side, and no other Irish side


No we can't - no team can draw another team from their own league until pool 4 (and from Pool 4 no Irish team can draw Munster)


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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby simonokeeffe » June 28th, 2016, 8:07 pm

I revise my dream draw to Exeter, Montpelier, Sale

Sticking ferociously to sale on theory of A we never get Italian teams and B they might turnover another English side
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Re: European Rugby Champions Cup

Postby Ruckedtobits » June 28th, 2016, 8:28 pm

Exeter, Toulouse and Zebre would suit fine. Happy to give the good rugby folk of Exeter the Aviva Christmas slot.

Very few soft options but we have a pack and excellent half-backs (?) and should have a decent mid-field, depending on Henshaw fitness. Back three options of Rob, Isa / Dave and Ferg / Adam Byrne / Kirchner.

We need to have ambition and some risk in our game to optimise the skills available.
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