Stuart Lancaster joining Leinster

[simonokeeffe]

bet everyone who cant use the quote function properly feels pretty stupid right about now

[riocard911]

bet everyone who cant use the quote function properly feels pretty stupid right about now

LMFAO!!!

[johng]

bet

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Simon

So they should

[simonokeeffe]

[offshorerules]

Lol.

[riocard911]

Seen him four times all in all - incl. '92 in the RDS ("Sexy MF") - and each time it was magical to the max!!!!!

[paddyor]

As an outsider looking in, the addition of Lancaster whether good or bad seems to have little relevance when the under lying problem of the current, pre Lancaster Leinster Coaching team remains unresolved. The permanent appointment of Leo a relatively unknown quantity as head coach is where the problem stems from.
Leinster would in my opinion have been better served by taking the hit and holding out to get an experienced head coach rather than letting Leo dictate his terms to Leinster Rugby. ( at least this seemed to be the situation watching from afar.)
A lot of contributors seem to seeking to find reasons to be pleased with the appointment rather than expressing any real excitement and pleasure at the appointment.
The expression " damming with Faint praise" comes to mind.

It seems to be a case that he is alright, rather than a great appointment.

So you would have had us hold out for a year with no head coach? No one wanted the job.

But I'd agree with your observation regarding the lack of excitement.

"WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW. UNBELIEVABLE!"

Super happy with that.

Massive coup! Very impressed with Leinster and/or IRFU for getting that one in.

This is a great signing.

I think it's a brilliant move.

Very happy with this.

Bring him on. Don't see a downside.

Very excited by this

This is great news, he's a fantastic coach...

I’m very happy about this.

good bit of business by Leinster Rugby.

Excellent appointment .....Go well Mr Lancaster, your values and culture are welcome. We wish you a successful stay.

I'm very happy with this appointment.

Delighted with that appointment.

Good signing.

This is fantastic.

Stuart Lancaster part of the coaching set up ...[is one of]... two reasons to be more hopeful about this season than a week ago.

Is this why you couldn't take my call earlier?

[Peg Leg]

As an outsider looking in, the addition of Lancaster whether good or bad seems to have little relevance when the under lying problem of the current, pre Lancaster Leinster Coaching team remains unresolved. The permanent appointment of Leo a relatively unknown quantity as head coach is where the problem stems from.
Leinster would in my opinion have been better served by taking the hit and holding out to get an experienced head coach rather than letting Leo dictate his terms to Leinster Rugby. ( at least this seemed to be the situation watching from afar.)
A lot of contributors seem to seeking to find reasons to be pleased with the appointment rather than expressing any real excitement and pleasure at the appointment.
The expression " damming with Faint praise" comes to mind.

It seems to be a case that he is alright, rather than a great appointment.

So you would have had us hold out for a year with no head coach? No one wanted the job.

But I'd agree with your observation regarding the lack of excitement.

"WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW. UNBELIEVABLE!"

Super happy with that.

Massive coup! Very impressed with Leinster and/or IRFU for getting that one in.

This is a great signing.

I think it's a brilliant move.

Very happy with this.

Bring him on. Don't see a downside.

Very excited by this

This is great news, he's a fantastic coach...

I’m very happy about this.

good bit of business by Leinster Rugby.

Excellent appointment .....Go well Mr Lancaster, your values and culture are welcome. We wish you a successful stay.

I'm very happy with this appointment.

Delighted with that appointment.

Good signing.

This is fantastic.

Stuart Lancaster part of the coaching set up ...[is one of]... two reasons to be more hopeful about this season than a week ago.

Is this why you couldn't take my call earlier?

That actually occurred to me.

[ronk]

Also, the supposed lack of success doesn't stack up. He won 12/15 (for comparison, JS is on 10/15) in the 6 Nations in his first three seasons as England coach and beat the All Blacks - something that Irish Rugby would sacrifice pretty much everything for.

To be honest Dave, that sounds a bit Eddie O'Sullivanesque. The "he beat New Zealand" point has been raised a few times, I might be the only one who thinks this but I'm not actually that bothered about beating New Zealand unless it's in the World Cup. I am bothered about 6 Nations and the World Cup and I'd take one of Joe's 6 Nations over beating New Zealand in an Autumn International any day. As an aside, he also lost to New Zealand 5 times.

There's no question in my mind that he underperformed with England and ultimately that's why he is no longer England coach.

How much of Eddie Jones success is the dead cat bounce, and piggybacking on the recent success of Saracens in Europe? Even Declan Kidney won a grand slam in his first season. Most of the Lancaster era was during when English sides couldn't catch a cold in Europe.

Lancaster did a lot for English club rugby that benefitted Jones. English players had been moving to France and this trend mostly stopped under Lancaster. That's not an accident, nor was it easy, it was a lot of short term pain and risk for someone who was an interim coach.

The improved attitude and performance of English players has been probably more important than big money foreign signings for English club successes recently.

SL built something.

His only proper black mark was the World Cup and that was mostly just being on the wrong side of the scoreline against Wales. That's what they're best at. Sure there were mistakes but nothing that meant they mightn't have won on a different day.l

Any coach in the world might have fallen at that hurdle, many great ones have.

I'd usually trust my instincts about coaches chances of future success after getting fired from one job. Lam, Cheika, Jones you knew would learn and grow; others like Kidney, O'Sullivan, Johnson or Ashton were done.


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[Oldschool]

As an outsider looking in, the addition of Lancaster whether good or bad seems to have little relevance when the under lying problem of the current, pre Lancaster Leinster Coaching team remains unresolved. The permanent appointment of Leo a relatively unknown quantity as head coach is where the problem stems from.
Leinster would in my opinion have been better served by taking the hit and holding out to get an experienced head coach rather than letting Leo dictate his terms to Leinster Rugby. ( at least this seemed to be the situation watching from afar.)
A lot of contributors seem to seeking to find reasons to be pleased with the appointment rather than expressing any real excitement and pleasure at the appointment.
The expression " damming with Faint praise" comes to mind.

It seems to be a case that he is alright, rather than a great appointment.

So you would have had us hold out for a year with no head coach? No one wanted the job.

But I'd agree with your observation regarding the lack of excitement.

"WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW. UNBELIEVABLE!"

Super happy with that.

Massive coup! Very impressed with Leinster and/or IRFU for getting that one in.

This is a great signing.

I think it's a brilliant move.

Very happy with this.

Bring him on. Don't see a downside.

Very excited by this

This is great news, he's a fantastic coach...

I’m very happy about this.

good bit of business by Leinster Rugby.

Excellent appointment .....Go well Mr Lancaster, your values and culture are welcome. We wish you a successful stay.

I'm very happy with this appointment.

Delighted with that appointment.

Good signing.

This is fantastic.

Stuart Lancaster part of the coaching set up ...[is one of]... two reasons to be more hopeful about this season than a week ago.

Eh, how can I put it - oh yeah +1

[Ruckedtobits]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

[simonokeeffe]

Good point

And pre existing reputations/status wont mean anything to him

[offshorerules]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

+1

[riocard911]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

+1

Not just that, ruckedtobits - Imagine the mine of information he's got on the English opposition in the Competition formerly known as the Heino!

[Dexter]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

Spot on. I find it amazing that anyone can put a negative spin on it.

[Flash Gordon]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

You're completely right but that would be true of any coach who who had coached at the top level in the Champions Cup or at international level. In fact, anybody who'd coached at Champions Cup level would be better equipped as they'd not just have analysed Leinster's international players individually but also the Club's play patterns and tactics.

[FLIP]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

You're completely right but that would be true of any coach who who had coached at the top level in the Champions Cup or at international level. In fact, anybody who'd coached at Champions Cup level would be better equipped as they'd not just have analysed Leinster's international players individually but also the Club's play patterns and tactics.

Any good international setup would do that too. Under pressure a player will revert to patterns of behaviour they know best, which are the ones they play week in week out for their team.

[paddyor]

As the news spread and reality dawned and media commented, so debate and discussion became more specific.

Among the outlooks in one rugby club today was the dawning that Lancaster must bring with him an enormous deposit of objective analysis of about 22 Leinster players, compiled by a group of expert analysts, paid for by the wealthiest Union in the world.

Imagine, a completely new file of objective, and possibly suggestive, profiles of the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats of your 20/22 highest profile players. Analysis of their Unit strengths (Leinster /Ireland front five or back-row, or back-three). Concisely prepared and delivered by a man whose job it once was to ensure that no opponent was overlooked or under-estimated.

How useful will that particular trove be, to a relatively inexperienced Coaching Ticket?

Oh yes, and then there's the matter of an objective opinion, formed over the coming days and weeks, from the discussions between a loyal and enbedded Coaching Group and the honest and straight-talking Northerner. Priceless, IMO, in shaping selection in the coming weeks and months.

In the world of business, and that includes the NFL in this context, the value of IP is no longer under-estimated. The Intellectual Property that Lancaster brings directly to Leo and Girv will be very considerable and will accelerate their own learning growth, not least because it has been compiled at a different centre and from a different process, than their coaching education to date.

We may not always / ever love the English, but no avid sports fan can gainsay their expertise in sports preparation after the last two Olympics. Lancaster has been privy to review and analysis of how one of the best-funded sports cultures in the world goes about its business. We in Leinster would be very foolish if we believed that there is not a lot we can learn by listening to what this man has to say and what those experiences have thought him.

Gilding a the lilly a bit? If he had any great insights into Irish(Leinster players) players he never really showed them IMO. Maybe I missed it, but i remember his teams at their most effective more for brutal efficiency than tactical nous exploiting opposition weaknesses. The only thing that comes to mind was Englands fear of the Irish lineout and maul in Twickenham in 2014. I'm not saying he's clueless but beyond telling us Tom Court is a cr@p TH prop I'm not sure he'll have that many new insights for the coaches.

That said, an outside voice pointing out weaknessess in players they've a relationship with as a player/mentor/coach should be welcomed.

[curates_egg]

Coming very late to this thread but delighted to see the positivity. All things considered, he is a very good signing.
We needed outside thinking and we very urgently needed a body in the coaching team; we have got one with massive experience and who was sought after: I'm in France and Midi Olympique had him on their list to replace Dominguez and said Boudjedall met him over the summer to that end.

He had England playing cracking rugby (if you ignore the RWC debacle). They became likeable as individuals and as a rugby playing team...at a time when Ireland, Wales and France were bludgeoning the 6 Nations to death. Having been raised with an ingrained hatred of England, I found myself liking the set-up. The RWC debacle did not seem like his fault...maybe you can fault him for failing to impose himself but I don't. He should have won a 6 Nations but, beyond that, the notion that England were not good under him is simply horse manure.

Welcome Stuart.

[riocard911]

Coming very late to this thread but delighted to see the positivity. All things considered, he is a very good signing.
We needed outside thinking and we very urgently needed a body in the coaching team; we have got one with massive experience and who was sought after: I'm in France and Midi Olympique had him on their list to replace Dominguez and said Boudjedall met him over the summer to that end.

He had England playing cracking rugby (if you ignore the RWC debacle). They became likeable as individuals and as a rugby playing team...at a time when Ireland, Wales and France were bludgeoning the 6 Nations to death. Having been raised with an ingrained hatred of England, I found myself liking the set-up. The RWC debacle did not seem like his fault...maybe you can fault him for failing to impose himself but I don't. He should have won a 6 Nations but, beyond that, the notion that England were not good under him is simply horse manure.

Welcome Stuart.

+1