Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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Oldschoolsocks wrote:Schmidt doesn't pick on form, he picks on familiarity with his system, ability to fit into the system and for specific attributes and skills.

They're different things.


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Re: Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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I hate to do this but, reading Neil Francis today (and glossing over the fact that he feels we needed bother our holes going to France should we beat Wasps) he raised the point that the question has to be asked as to what Leinster are doing because they get so many hamstring and hamstring related injuries (eg Calf) compared to the other provinces. I wasn't aware we were monopolising this injury. Thought it was fairly common across the board. Any Thoughts?
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Re: Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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LeinsterLeader wrote:I hate to do this but, reading Neil Francis today (and glossing over the fact that he feels we needed bother our holes going to France should we beat Wasps) he raised the point that the question has to be asked as to what Leinster are doing because they get so many hamstring and hamstring related injuries (eg Calf) compared to the other provinces. I wasn't aware we were monopolising this injury. Thought it was fairly common across the board. Any Thoughts?
he has brought it up before.. probably has valid point.. no idea why it could be the case though.

thought he had a few valid points in that article about our mentality and sharpness in that game also.
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Re: Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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LeinsterLeader wrote:I hate to do this but, reading Neil Francis today (and glossing over the fact that he feels we needed bother our holes going to France should we beat Wasps) he raised the point that the question has to be asked as to what Leinster are doing because they get so many hamstring and hamstring related injuries (eg Calf) compared to the other provinces. I wasn't aware we were monopolising this injury. Thought it was fairly common across the board. Any Thoughts?
we need that data though

unless somebody combs through all the medical reports/match previews of the last 2 or 3 years for Irish sides and possibly pro12 in general and maybe even Prem for comparison its impossible to say

Its probably exasberated by the profile of the Leinster players/guys getting injured to some degree (and that we'd notice more)
Kearney, Sexton, SOB and we notice
Connacht have an injury crisis every year, Ulster have had lots of forwards miss big chunks this season
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This reminds me of the uproar over a couple hip injuries a few years back. Worth questioning but also worth noting that it's likely coincidence.

If it is an issue you can be sure the s&c and medical staff are addressing it already.
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The hip problems weren't a coincidence though.. and it cost one player his career and almost cost a few others.

New S+C coach in charge this season too. Wonder what they are doing different.
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What were reasons for hip problems?


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Oldschoolsocks wrote:What were reasons for hip problems?


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I believe it was the type of squads the S&C coaches had players doing, if my memory serves me right.
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jimbobjoe wrote:This reminds me of the uproar over a couple hip injuries a few years back. Worth questioning but also worth noting that it's likely coincidence.

If it is an issue you can be sure the s&c and medical staff are addressing it already.
Sorry for repetition here.
Damien Duff had major problems with hamstring injuries until he moved to Chelsea - problem solved.
It's not necessarily s&c either, it can be down to and individuals physical problems.
I know for a fact that flat feet can be a contributory factor to tight hamstrings. Flat feet give rise to ankle problems also.
Hip issues can be down to the type of squats as mentioned but it's likely that certain individuals have hip issues which doing the wrong exercises will cause problems for them.
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Oldschoolsocks wrote:What were reasons for hip problems?


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Overly heavy squatting on bodies that were still growing/developing leading to accellerated wear and tear. The academy guys all get regular scans on their hips now

It was all similarly aged players iirc Ruddock, DK, EOM
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Re: Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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Hamstring injuries 2016/2017 season.
SOB - long term
RK - not too serious but cannot shake off in effect becoming more serious.i
Ross- serious
Cronin- serious
Sexton - same as Kearney
James Ryan- Serious
Furlong - not too serious
all with hamstring injuries at various times this season


Ferg has a torn quad, Ruddock is/was struggling with a calf.
As you say they are the high profile players and there are probably more, but that is an awful lot of guys with leg muscle injuries. Moore, Strauss and Healy have all had serious hamstring injuries in recent seasons.

Interesting quote from Mike Ross in a Q and A piece on Joe.ie last year.
As a tight-head prop, do you undergo specific training drills with your front row colleagues?

Yeah, it's called Fat Club [joke].

We would do extra conditioning work and strengthening exercises. Front-rowers will do a lot of box squats with an extra 40 kilos, or so, on the bar.
3 front rowers in this season's list and Healy and Moore had serious hamstring injuries in the last two seasons. Hamstring finished Strauss' 2014 season
That's six frontline front rows with hamstring injuries. Maybe the "fat club" (joke) should be disbanded.
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Re: Castres Vs Leinster Fri 20th Jan 19:45 (Sky Sports)

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Oldschool wrote:
jimbobjoe wrote:This reminds me of the uproar over a couple hip injuries a few years back. Worth questioning but also worth noting that it's likely coincidence.

If it is an issue you can be sure the s&c and medical staff are addressing it already.
Sorry for repetition here.
Damien Duff had major problems with hamstring injuries until he moved to Chelsea - problem solved.
It's not necessarily s&c either, it can be down to and individuals physical problems.
I know for a fact that flat feet can be a contributory factor to tight hamstrings. Flat feet give rise to ankle problems also.
Hip issues can be down to the type of squats as mentioned but it's likely that certain individuals have hip issues which doing the wrong exercises will cause problems for them.
Duffer's problem was down to the position of his car seat (S&C coach spotted it) - once that was adjusted his hamstring problem disappeared and he ripped up teams for fun at the Bridge...
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