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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 1:12 pm

molloyjh wrote:
We all know you do. But you thinking you are accurate, and you actually being accurate are two entirely different things.


Is Nagle behind the following locks this weekend - Ross Molony & Mike McCarthy? Yes.

Was Nagle behind the following locks last weekend - Ross Molony & Mick Kearney? Yes.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby molloyjh » January 19th, 2017, 1:34 pm

goreyguy wrote:
molloyjh wrote:
We all know you do. But you thinking you are accurate, and you actually being accurate are two entirely different things.


Is Nagle behind the following locks this weekend - Ross Molony & Mike McCarthy? Yes.

Was Nagle behind the following locks last weekend - Ross Molony & Mick Kearney? Yes.


Was Nagle on level peggings with Kearney more often than not the last month? Yes.

Was Nagle ahead of Kearney at numerous times this season? Yes.

Has Nagle more starts this season than Kearney? Yes.

Has Nagle played more Champions Cup rugby than Kearney? Yes.

Has Nagle played more inter-pros than Kearney? Yes.

Not as clear now is it?

Actually, why am I still bothering? Answers on a postcard please.... :lol:
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 1:36 pm

molloyjh wrote:
goreyguy wrote:
molloyjh wrote:
We all know you do. But you thinking you are accurate, and you actually being accurate are two entirely different things.


Is Nagle behind the following locks this weekend - Ross Molony & Mike McCarthy? Yes.

Was Nagle behind the following locks last weekend - Ross Molony & Mick Kearney? Yes.


Was Nagle on level peggings with Kearney more often than not the last month? Yes.

Was Nagle ahead of Kearney at numerous times this season? Yes.

Has Nagle more starts this season than Kearney? Yes.

Has Nagle played more Champions Cup rugby than Kearney? Yes.

Has Nagle played more inter-pros than Kearney? Yes.

Not as clear now is it?

Actually, why am I still bothering? Answers on a postcard please.... :lol:


Pretty clear that as of right now, Nagle is viewed as a A level lock by management.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby hugonaut » January 19th, 2017, 2:43 pm

I think our second row situation is quite strange - for me it has been consistently the most puzzling selection that Cullen/Lancaster have made this season. Triggs has been decent/good and the team has done really well with him in it. The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].

You could make the argument that he's a player who allows those around him to play better, but to be frank I think that would be a stretch. I just don't know what's getting him the starts ahead of Mike Mc [who was outstanding in the first part of last season before his concussion] or Mick Kearney [who was good at the end of last season when he came into the team] or Ian Nagle or Ross Molony. I'm not worried that he's missing against Castres, for example ... I think any of the second rows on our books can do the job against them.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby molloyjh » January 19th, 2017, 3:04 pm

OMG, look who's starting beside Nagle for the As. Mind. Blown.

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/leinster-a- ... d=16LR7479
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 3:13 pm

molloyjh wrote:OMG, look who's starting beside Nagle for the As. Mind. Blown.

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/leinster-a- ... d=16LR7479


I've never claimed Kearney was a top level lock, he is deservedly playing A rugby just like Nagle.

But Nagle is 5th/6th choice, which was my point at the start.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby suisse » January 19th, 2017, 3:27 pm

goreyguy wrote:
molloyjh wrote:I think Nagle has looked pretty decent tbh. Better than I expected given his absence from the game. However one thing that most of our options lack and that Triggs has is an ability in the loose. Look at the wrap around between Triggs and Dev against Ulster that created the space for SOB down the left wing for example. He's really comfortable on the ball. Molony is the closest we have to that kind of lock outside of Dev but he's just not big enough yet. The others just don't seem to have the skills to implement the game we're looking to implement.

People talking about Ryan are being a bit premature. In the only A game he played this season he looked well out of his depth physically. I've great belief that he'll get to where he needs to be, but I'm not at all sure he'll be there next season.


You were also saying Adam Byrne wasn't upto much either based on pre season games, so let's not use one game in isolation as a predictor.?


You seem to have done that with regards to Beirne versus Saracens.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 3:29 pm

suisse wrote:
goreyguy wrote:
molloyjh wrote:I think Nagle has looked pretty decent tbh. Better than I expected given his absence from the game. However one thing that most of our options lack and that Triggs has is an ability in the loose. Look at the wrap around between Triggs and Dev against Ulster that created the space for SOB down the left wing for example. He's really comfortable on the ball. Molony is the closest we have to that kind of lock outside of Dev but he's just not big enough yet. The others just don't seem to have the skills to implement the game we're looking to implement.

People talking about Ryan are being a bit premature. In the only A game he played this season he looked well out of his depth physically. I've great belief that he'll get to where he needs to be, but I'm not at all sure he'll be there next season.


You were also saying Adam Byrne wasn't upto much either based on pre season games, so let's not use one game in isolation as a predictor.?


You seem to have done that with regards to Beirne versus Saracens.


Beirne has been impressive all season for Scarlets, game versus Saracens just used as an example.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby OTT » January 19th, 2017, 3:40 pm

goreyguy wrote:
But Nagle is 5th/6th choice, which was my point at the start.



Your point at the start was that he was a passenger.

He is not. He started two of our biggest games so far this season and acquitted himself well .

Johnny Hepworth was a passenger. The prop that we signed from Jersey and never played for us was a passenger. Ian Nagle has been a decent low cost signing for us who could do a job tomorrow night if called upon.

You seem to be getting pissy because you used the wrong wording in your initial description of him but that is your fault not everyone else's. He is currently down the pecking order...correct. He is a passenger...incorrect.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby wixfjord » January 19th, 2017, 3:56 pm

GG has had a bee in his bonnet about signing Nagle since the summer, I would take his posts with more than a pinch of salt. Confirmation bias at play.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby wixfjord » January 19th, 2017, 3:58 pm

hugonaut wrote:The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].


So what you're saying is the only reason that we've been whuppin' sides is definitely Hayden Triggs? Give that man a HUGE contract!
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby leinsterforever » January 19th, 2017, 4:03 pm

hugonaut wrote:I think our second row situation is quite strange - for me it has been consistently the most puzzling selection that Cullen/Lancaster have made this season. Triggs has been decent/good and the team has done really well with him in it. The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].

You could make the argument that he's a player who allows those around him to play better, but to be frank I think that would be a stretch. I just don't know what's getting him the starts ahead of Mike Mc [who was outstanding in the first part of last season before his concussion] or Mick Kearney [who was good at the end of last season when he came into the team] or Ian Nagle or Ross Molony. I'm not worried that he's missing against Castres, for example ... I think any of the second rows on our books can do the job against them.


Maybe the prominence of Triggs is down to Lancaster? Early season Leo seemed to be backing Nagle, but maybe once Lancaster got to know the squad his preference was Triggs for his distribution, offloading and support play? Haven't there been a few mentions of Lancaster working closely with the forwards on their offloading? Triggs would be better equipped to play that type of rugby
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 4:03 pm

wixfjord wrote:GG has had a bee in his bonnet about signing Nagle since the summer, I would take his posts with more than a pinch of salt. Confirmation bias at play.


Or reality at play, Nagle is bang average, hence why he is playing A rugby as a 28 year old.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby goreyguy » January 19th, 2017, 4:04 pm

leinsterforever wrote:
hugonaut wrote:I think our second row situation is quite strange - for me it has been consistently the most puzzling selection that Cullen/Lancaster have made this season. Triggs has been decent/good and the team has done really well with him in it. The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].

You could make the argument that he's a player who allows those around him to play better, but to be frank I think that would be a stretch. I just don't know what's getting him the starts ahead of Mike Mc [who was outstanding in the first part of last season before his concussion] or Mick Kearney [who was good at the end of last season when he came into the team] or Ian Nagle or Ross Molony. I'm not worried that he's missing against Castres, for example ... I think any of the second rows on our books can do the job against them.


Maybe the prominence of Triggs is down to Lancaster? Early season Leo seemed to be backing Nagle, but maybe once Lancaster got to know the squad his preference was Triggs for his distribution, offloading and support play? Haven't there been a few mentions of Lancaster working closely with the forwards on their offloading? Triggs would be better equipped to play that type of rugby


hopefully we don't revert to the other type if Lancaster leaves..
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby neiliog93 » January 19th, 2017, 6:17 pm

When I say we need an NIQ lock for next season to be competitive in the Euro Cup, that includes the possibility of retainign Triggs. We need a guy of at least his quality, and preferably a bit better.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby Oldschool » January 19th, 2017, 6:39 pm

wixfjord wrote:
hugonaut wrote:The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].


So what you're saying is the only reason that we've been whuppin' sides is definitely Hayden Triggs? Give that man a HUGO contract!

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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby Oldschool » January 19th, 2017, 6:43 pm

hugonaut wrote:I think our second row situation is quite strange - for me it has been consistently the most puzzling selection that Cullen/Lancaster have made this season. Triggs has been decent/good and the team has done really well with him in it. The only match he has missed since the start of December is the Munster game, which we lost. In all the other games he has played we have been handy winners, scoring sh*tloads of tries [Dragons, Northampton home and away, Ulster, Zebre and Montpellier].

You could make the argument that he's a player who allows those around him to play better, but to be frank I think that would be a stretch. I just don't know what's getting him the starts ahead of Mike Mc [who was outstanding in the first part of last season before his concussion] or Mick Kearney [who was good at the end of last season when he came into the team] or Ian Nagle or Ross Molony. I'm not worried that he's missing against Castres, for example ... I think any of the second rows on our books can do the job against them.

It's more likely Triggs has played to the best of his ability because of the quality of players around him and that's all we can reasonably expect of him - the lad has done well.
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby simonokeeffe » January 19th, 2017, 6:48 pm

what length contract is JGP park on? posting fuller version in project players thread but if residency gets pushed out to 5 years that could massively effect signing more projects and maybe JGP sticking around (know am skipping ahead at leats a year)
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby Oldschool » January 19th, 2017, 6:53 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:what length contract is JGP park on? posting fuller version in project players thread but if residency gets pushed out to 5 years that could massively effect signing more projects and maybe JGP sticking around (know am skipping ahead at leats a year)

The five year thing is nonsense. Some player's careers might not last that long and the longevity trend is not going in the right direction either.
This is just Munster, in particular, jumping up and down because their lads are losing out to foreigners, so much for free movement of people (yeah as long as it's our people) etc!
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Re: How many NIQ's next season?

Postby johng » January 19th, 2017, 6:57 pm

3 years. I doubt they will change the rules for players "already in the system"
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