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Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 23rd, 2017, 3:14 pm

Historically (sic), I have been a big supporter of Leinster's signing of top-class NIQ players, on the basis of both their individual performances but also because of their impact on other players within Leinster. However, returning from Castres and thinking about Robbie's two tries on Friday, it struck me that he has been a central influence in the development of many of the young tyros this season.

It's impossible to trace who was the initiator of his signing. Was it Robbie himself, was it his father, was it his Agent, was it the Leinster CEO, was it MO'C, will we ever know?

Whoever it was, they can scarcely have imagined his impact. IMO, he has had the greatest effect on the development of:

Joey Carbery - Henshaw was the threat outside which gave him space;
Luke McGrath - Henshaw has the physique to make poor passes usable;
Noel Reid - Henshaw altered the perception of our mid-field as a threat;
Gary Ringrose - Henshaw provides the direct power which creates space for speed;
Adam Bryne - Henshaw's ability to straighten the line and pass in front makes options;
Rory O'Loughlin - Whether to centre or wing, Henshaw's timing of the pass is great;
Ross Byrne - Very hard to think that Byrne would have survived without Henshaw's presence.

You could add the influence to the games of back-rowers, JvDF, Leavy and Conan and few would argue. Even Jamie and SO'B have prospered in the presence of Henshaw this season.

Without exaggerating his impact barely six months into his career with Leinster, there is no doubt in my mind that Robbie is the most influential player in the Leinster Squad at present and that's a mighty accolade. Long may it continue.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby Oldschool » January 23rd, 2017, 4:33 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Historically (sic), I have been a big supporter of Leinster's signing of top-class NIQ players, on the basis of both their individual performances but also because of their impact on other players within Leinster. However, returning from Castres and thinking about Robbie's two tries on Friday, it struck me that he has been a central influence in the development of many of the young tyros this season.

It's impossible to trace who was the initiator of his signing. Was it Robbie himself, was it his father, was it his Agent, was it the Leinster CEO, was it MO'C, will we ever know?

Whoever it was, they can scarcely have imagined his impact. IMO, he has had the greatest effect on the development of:

Joey Carbery - Henshaw was the threat outside which gave him space;
Luke McGrath - Henshaw has the physique to make poor passes usable;
Noel Reid - Henshaw altered the perception of our mid-field as a threat;
Gary Ringrose - Henshaw provides the direct power which creates space for speed;
Adam Bryne - Henshaw's ability to straighten the line and pass in front makes options;
Rory O'Loughlin - Whether to centre or wing, Henshaw's timing of the pass is great;
Ross Byrne - Very hard to think that Byrne would have survived without Henshaw's presence.

You could add the influence to the games of back-rowers, JvDF, Leavy and Conan and few would argue. Even Jamie and SO'B have prospered in the presence of Henshaw this season.

Without exaggerating his impact barely six months into his career with Leinster, there is no doubt in my mind that Robbie is the most influential player in the Leinster Squad at present and that's a mighty accolade. Long may it continue.

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TBF to you, you've only put in a couple of exaggerations.
There is one player who is more influential than you, but I don't want to tip off our opponents so I won't name him.
JDVF had already established himself in the team and in fact it is his support play perhaps that enables YOU to do all those other things you claim YOU do.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby neiliog93 » January 23rd, 2017, 5:12 pm

I think you're giving him a wee bit too much credit, but he has certainly been excellent for us. Really transformed out backline as an attacking threat. Hopefully Leinster's 10-12-13 also being Ireland's will lead to better Six Nations performances too.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby ronk » January 23rd, 2017, 10:36 pm

He's been good signing. We haven't signed many really high impact IQ players direct from other provinces. Mike McCarthy was an international.

In terms of improving players around him, I'm sure he's done it but he was injured at the start of the season so it can't all be him when t was happening already.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby blockhead » January 23rd, 2017, 11:23 pm

Sean Cronin and Mike Ross would be good candidates for that title too. Reddan, also.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby FLIP » January 24th, 2017, 10:38 am

blockhead wrote:Sean Cronin and Mike Ross would be good candidates for that title too. Reddan, also.


Mike Ross was the stone upon which our 2nd/3rd HCs campaigns were built. Reddan was fantastic but without Mike Ross he wouldn't have had much to work with.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby R-Dog » January 24th, 2017, 10:49 am

Sexton no?
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby blockhead » January 24th, 2017, 10:50 am

FLIP wrote:
blockhead wrote:Sean Cronin and Mike Ross would be good candidates for that title too. Reddan, also.


Mike Ross was the stone upon which our 2nd/3rd HCs campaigns were built. Reddan was fantastic but without Mike Ross he wouldn't have had much to work with.


Indeed, and Nugget scored tries in 2 Euro finasl and 2 Pro12 Finals.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby jezzer » January 24th, 2017, 12:16 pm

When we had Te'o last season, who was excellent at times from 13, many of us were hoping he'd get a run at 12. The idea (mine anyway) was that a guy like Ben would tie in the midfield and his pace and power from 12 allows him to either bring in the back row on the inside or 3/4 players on the outside.

It didn't work that well. Ben's ability to offload was less effective in the tight spaces of 12, his passing wasnt really up to it and he had no kicking game. It wasn't a disaster and there were a few good games of his from 12, but he was a better 13. That stifled Ringrose's / ROL's development also.

Robbie is everything we would have hoped for from Te'o, plus with much better passing, a kicking option and better defensive effort. Not as devastating a linebreader maybe, but not far off.

It's brought our back row into the game as inside carriers, it's given us Ringrose as a 13 and not occasional 14, a defensive solidity (except vs Castres....) and helped cure us (also except vs Castres) of our tendency since MOC days to crab. The latter has opened space for the 3/4 to get more productive ball and to shine.

It's been a huge contribution. I still feel a bit sorry for Connacht and I didn't expect Henshaw to be thus important to us. But I ain't exactly complaining.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby simonokeeffe » April 8th, 2017, 5:37 pm

still love him and hes class but even allowing for forgetting hes still 23 Henshaw's decision making today, v Wasps and in other games has been disappointing, hes blowing try scoring chances by not passing and then taking wrong options at other times (losing composure)
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby neiliog93 » April 8th, 2017, 6:15 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:still love him and hes class but even allowing for forgetting hes still 23 Henshaw's decision making today, v Wasps and in other games has been disappointing, hes blowing try scoring chances by not passing and then taking wrong options at other times (losing composure)


True, and if we're honest he also lacks top-end pace. Still, he's almost self-destructively brave, very good defender, excellent carrier, and has the complete skillset - passing, offloading and kicking, he just sometimes doesn't utilise them fully due to dodgy decision-making.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby simonokeeffe » April 8th, 2017, 6:19 pm

neiliog93 wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:still love him and hes class but even allowing for forgetting hes still 23 Henshaw's decision making today, v Wasps and in other games has been disappointing, hes blowing try scoring chances by not passing and then taking wrong options at other times (losing composure)


True, and if we're honest he also lacks top-end pace. Still, he's almost self-destructively brave, very good defender, excellent carrier, and has the complete skillset - passing, offloading and kicking, he just sometimes doesn't utilise them fully due to dodgy decision-making.


definitely
its a work on not a fatal flaw
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby curates_egg » April 14th, 2017, 10:04 am

I'll judge Henshaw in a few years.

For now, people mention Mike Ross, who was a super IQ signing (also Reddan, Boss and Nugget).
For me, Leo and Jennings were our most important IQ signings.
Would we be where we are now if they hadn't come back?
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby Hippo » April 14th, 2017, 10:44 am

curates_egg wrote:I'll judge Henshaw in a few years.

For now, people mention Mike Ross, who was a super IQ signing (also Reddan, Boss and Nugget).
For me, Leo and Jennings were our most important IQ signings.
Would we be where we are now if they hadn't come back?


Hard to argue with this, those two changed us fundamentally imo
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby simonokeeffe » April 14th, 2017, 1:31 pm

Hippo wrote:
curates_egg wrote:I'll judge Henshaw in a few years.

For now, people mention Mike Ross, who was a super IQ signing (also Reddan, Boss and Nugget).
For me, Leo and Jennings were our most important IQ signings.
Would we be where we are now if they hadn't come back?


Hard to argue with this, those two changed us fundamentally imo


they learnt how to beat Munster with Leicester :wink:
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Robbie Henshaw - Best IQ signing?

Postby BlueWheels » April 18th, 2017, 3:27 pm

FLIP wrote:
blockhead wrote:Sean Cronin and Mike Ross would be good candidates for that title too. Reddan, also.


Mike Ross was the stone upon which our 2nd/3rd HCs campaigns were built. Reddan was fantastic but without Mike Ross he wouldn't have had much to work with.


Ross is by far the best at present. Henshaw may very well overtake him in time but is only starting his Leinster career when compared to Ross.


Bringing Cullen & Jennings back from the Tigers certainly were good moves as well
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