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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby offshorerules » January 30th, 2017, 4:26 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Ian Madigan interview today on RTE
They did a study 2 years ago on why there was a spate of muscle injuries and what they found was changing between surfaces was causing it


The Scottish team could be in difficulty then or did he mean surfaces the were uneven and thus changing?
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby simonokeeffe » January 30th, 2017, 6:48 pm

offshorerules wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Ian Madigan interview today on RTE
They did a study 2 years ago on why there was a spate of muscle injuries and what they found was changing between surfaces was causing it


The Scottish team could be in difficulty then or did he mean surfaces the were uneven and thus changing?


its up on rt.ie

going from astro to grass to astro to indoor day to to day session to session etc
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby kermischocolate » January 30th, 2017, 11:08 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
offshorerules wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Ian Madigan interview today on RTE
They did a study 2 years ago on why there was a spate of muscle injuries and what they found was changing between surfaces was causing it


The Scottish team could be in difficulty then or did he mean surfaces the were uneven and thus changing?


its up on rt.ie

going from astro to grass to astro to indoor day to to day session to session etc


Interestingly Glasgow went through a spell of everyone had a knee injury, past year/ 18 months seems to be tons of shoulder problems. No particular issues with muscular injuries though that I can think of.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby Flash Gordon » January 31st, 2017, 10:42 am

simonokeeffe wrote:
offshorerules wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Ian Madigan interview today on RTE
They did a study 2 years ago on why there was a spate of muscle injuries and what they found was changing between surfaces was causing it


The Scottish team could be in difficulty then or did he mean surfaces the were uneven and thus changing?


its up on rt.ie

going from astro to grass to astro to indoor day to to day session to session etc


You see it all the time in schools rugby, kids are dropping like flies from 50 minutes on - mostly with cramp. Thought it was a hydration issue but watched a game at the weekend with two doctors and they reckoned it was the playing surface.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby molloyjh » January 31st, 2017, 1:54 pm

Oldschool wrote:...I don't care what the experts say.


Um...

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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby simonokeeffe » January 31st, 2017, 2:38 pm

Maybe Glasgow training on 4g surface too so its not too bad, you do seem to have a Connacht level of injuries though
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby Oldschool » January 31st, 2017, 3:50 pm

molloyjh wrote:
Oldschool wrote:...I don't care what the experts say.


Um...

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An expert is one who is knowledgable about current conventional wisdom.
It's a fair bet that there were quite a few experts who said the world was flat once upon a time.
Point being conventional wisdom should always be questioned.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby jimbobjoe » January 31st, 2017, 3:59 pm

Oldschool wrote:
molloyjh wrote:
Oldschool wrote:...I don't care what the experts say.


Um...

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An expert is one who is knowledgable about current conventional wisdom.
It's a fair bet that there were quite a few experts who said the world was flat once upon a time.
Point being conventional wisdom should always be questioned.


Questioning is one thing. Baseless dismissal is another.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby molloyjh » January 31st, 2017, 5:37 pm

Oldschool wrote:An expert is one who is knowledgable about current conventional wisdom.
It's a fair bet that there were quite a few experts who said the world was flat once upon a time.
Point being conventional wisdom should always be questioned.


The actual definition of an expert is:

a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.


As jobbobjoe said questioning someone who is knowledgeable is fine. Not caring what someone who is knowledgeable says and just dismissing it out of hand is something else entirely.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby kermischocolate » January 31st, 2017, 9:21 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Maybe Glasgow training on 4g surface too so its not too bad, you do seem to have a Connacht level of injuries though


We don't just do that though. Training is split between plastic and normal pitch.

We've got that many long term injuries it'll be like having new signings when we see them next!
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby simonokeeffe » January 31st, 2017, 10:29 pm

kermischocolate wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Maybe Glasgow training on 4g surface too so its not too bad, you do seem to have a Connacht level of injuries though


We don't just do that though. Training is split between plastic and normal pitch.

We've got that many long term injuries it'll be like having new signings when we see them next!


justifies that giant squad you always have :)
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby kermischocolate » February 1st, 2017, 11:52 am

simonokeeffe wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Maybe Glasgow training on 4g surface too so its not too bad, you do seem to have a Connacht level of injuries though


We don't just do that though. Training is split between plastic and normal pitch.

We've got that many long term injuries it'll be like having new signings when we see them next!


justifies that giant squad you always have :)


Sooner Edinburgh have some decent players the better! Share the international load a bit.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby Grumpy Old Man » February 1st, 2017, 1:16 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Maybe Glasgow training on 4g surface too so its not too bad, you do seem to have a Connacht level of injuries though


We don't just do that though. Training is split between plastic and normal pitch.

We've got that many long term injuries it'll be like having new signings when we see them next!


justifies that giant squad you always have :)


I've just spent five minutes trying to figure out why Glasgow have a giant squid! :oops:
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby Laighin Break » February 1st, 2017, 1:32 pm

Grumpy Old Man wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
justifies that giant squad you always have :)


I've just spent five minutes trying to figure out why Glasgow have a giant squid! :oops:


They're being shelfish, I know.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby kermischocolate » February 1st, 2017, 1:42 pm

Laighin Break wrote:
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
justifies that giant squad you always have :)


I've just spent five minutes trying to figure out why Glasgow have a giant squid! :oops:


They're being shelfish, I know.


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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby fourthirtythree » February 1st, 2017, 2:01 pm

Oldschool wrote:An expert is one who is knowledgable about current conventional wisdom.
It's a fair bet that there were quite a few experts who said the world was flat once upon a time.
Point being conventional wisdom should always be questioned.


I'll take that bet. It is unfair however as I happen to know from the history of science that this was never the case from ancient times to the present. If you are suggesting that this was the case before any recorded culture you are not holding this opinion from a point of expertise but rather pulling this "fact" out of your own arse.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby simonokeeffe » February 1st, 2017, 6:16 pm

Its more what you find on Sauciehall St at 3am I'm worried about Kerm

chatting to my own physio today and she said in her experience of working for rugby teams players rushing themselves back is the no1 cause of bad hamstring injuries and tearing an existing/healing tear massively exasberates it and makes it even harder to come back, but also players cooling down slightly mid game or session then doing an explosive movement or sprint is another killer
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby rooster » April 7th, 2017, 7:54 am

simonokeeffe wrote:Just by nature of body type and work they do especially scrummaging front rowers are going to have to do a lot of serious deadlifting amongst other things

Ross is 37
RK sorry for repetition but am convinced his hamstring issues are stemming from a back problem

would love to see similar for other clubs/provinces

We are dodgy knee specialists up here in Ulster, we even go so far as to hire players with a dodgy knee background.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby simonokeeffe » April 7th, 2017, 11:43 am

rooster wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Just by nature of body type and work they do especially scrummaging front rowers are going to have to do a lot of serious deadlifting amongst other things

Ross is 37
RK sorry for repetition but am convinced his hamstring issues are stemming from a back problem

would love to see similar for other clubs/provinces

We are dodgy knee specialists up here in Ulster, we even go so far as to hire players with a dodgy knee background.


yeah you injured his good knee :wink:
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Hamstring (and other muscular) injuries

Postby rooster » April 8th, 2017, 2:36 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
rooster wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Just by nature of body type and work they do especially scrummaging front rowers are going to have to do a lot of serious deadlifting amongst other things

Ross is 37
RK sorry for repetition but am convinced his hamstring issues are stemming from a back problem

would love to see similar for other clubs/provinces

We are dodgy knee specialists up here in Ulster, we even go so far as to hire players with a dodgy knee background.


yeah you injured his good knee :wink:

You mean he actually had a good knee !
He has had previously injured both before he came to us
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