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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Dave Cahill » July 10th, 2017, 8:17 pm

Carbery missed two months after the saints game in Northampton - we were down to one, academy, outhalf
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby hugonaut » July 10th, 2017, 8:25 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Or we back the talented centres in the academy to step up in the short term, somehow I think this is more likely.


Yep - I think we'll see Tom Daly to back up Noel Reid and Conor O'Brien to back up Rory O'Loughlin, with Jimmy O'Brien in the mix as a Reid-esque No12 as well.

It's a massive blow, to be frank. We're in huge trouble if we pick up another injury in midfield. Aside from Reid [82 Leinster appearances], there's absolutely no experience there.

We could well be looking at moving Ferg back in to midfield, which is very much a short-term fix. I always thought that Isa could do a job at either first or second centre as well, which might be an even shorter-term fix, but it gets an experienced head [with all the skills] into the midfield. He played a few games at No12 for Auckland and the Blues a long, long time ago – back in 2005 and 2006 [source: http://www.itsrugby.co.uk/player_2047.html ]. Not sure it's a runner, but it might come under consideration.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby ronk » July 10th, 2017, 8:53 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Carbery missed two months after the saints game in Northampton - we were down to one, academy, outhalf


Our 2nd choice outhalf in the academy. Surviving that injury situation without ending our season early was an outstanding achievement made possible by academy players stepping up and outplaying seasoned pros they were up against. Just because it happened once doesn't mean it'll happen every time.

Bodies can be found for almost any injury crisis. It's a matter of being competitive, which we'll struggle to be if we get injuries. The next guys up can be trusted in the big games, the ones after that might on a good day, after that we'd need miracles.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby simonokeeffe » July 10th, 2017, 9:41 pm

We're in huge trouble as it is, Ferg has bad passing/distribution and is easy to defend in heavy traffic.
Back to our chronic problem of getting over gainline in midfield/no physical options, going to have to use semi obvious ploy of backrower off lineouts or bring byrne off his wing a lot. McFadden would suffice for an exit play
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby leinsterforever » July 10th, 2017, 9:52 pm

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Dave Cahill wrote:If we weren't allowed sign an outhalf last year when we didn't have a single senior outhalf available, we aren't going to be allowed sign a centre when we have at least three on hand

Did we actually ask last season?

Of course there was a view here that there was no need for any cover. Byrne and Carberry stayed fit and we were spared the worse case scenario. I note there's already a post that 'we'll be grand...'


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I thought it worked out pretty well in the end. Ross Byrne accumulated good experience that probably served him well in some pressure situations later in the season. He wouldn't have picked up so much gametime if a medical joker had been signed, and the team could have been in massive trouble if they'd had to throw Byrne sans experience in at the deep end in a pressure game after the joker had departed.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby cormac » July 10th, 2017, 10:44 pm

The Sean Cronin to 13 campaign starts here
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby paddyor » July 11th, 2017, 12:23 am

I could see us being allowed to sign someone and not use them like Munster with Sean Doyle in 2015 (IIRC) or us with that prop Saffer Van Whatisname (also in 2015/6 IIRC).
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby curates_egg » July 11th, 2017, 7:53 am

Dave Cahill wrote:If we weren't allowed sign an outhalf last year when we didn't have a single senior outhalf available, we aren't going to be allowed sign a centre when we have at least three on hand


Which is why I said: if we were Munster, we would be allowed to sign one.
I like that, unlike them, we are not dependent on the IRFU for our existence. But I don't see us being competitive in Europe without our first choice 12-13...and possibly 10.
I think Byrne, Reid and O'Loughlin will be more than good enough for most Pro12 fixtures if they stay fit. Daly hasn't shown enough at this level yet for me to judge.
It is a very threadbare cupboard to have at the start of the season though.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby artaneboy » July 11th, 2017, 8:04 am

leinsterforever wrote:
artaneboy wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:If we weren't allowed sign an outhalf last year when we didn't have a single senior outhalf available, we aren't going to be allowed sign a centre when we have at least three on hand

Did we actually ask last season?

Of course there was a view here that there was no need for any cover. Byrne and Carberry stayed fit and we were spared the worse case scenario. I note there's already a post that 'we'll be grand...'


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I thought it worked out pretty well in the end. Ross Byrne accumulated good experience that probably served him well in some pressure situations later in the season. He wouldn't have picked up so much gametime if a medical joker had been signed, and the team could have been in massive trouble if they'd had to throw Byrne sans experience in at the deep end in a pressure game after the joker had departed.

Yes- we got away with it. Until irony of ironies, Sexton came back for the semi and stunk the place out.

I can't say Byrne struck me as being ready for the the number one position yet. But hopefully he is a more rounded player as a result of the exposure.


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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Cathalsmart » July 11th, 2017, 8:16 am

Jeez I don't think any country complains about their squad options as much as Irish people do...the more I think about it the more I realise when I look at the champions cup the only game I'd really fear for Leinster in the pool with that centre partnership is Montpellier away, Glasgow home and away I wouldn't fear (Although they now have Huw Jones in the centre so they are now a different proposition there). Exeter while premiership champs are not a strong enough side to compete in both the champions cup & pro12, last year and the year before they were shite in the champions cup but the year before they snuck through because other results went their way.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Cathalsmart » July 11th, 2017, 8:18 am

Everyone when talking about the O'Briens I presume are talking about Jimmy & Conor but I'm wondering could Tommy also come into the equation, 2 years younger yes but definetly has the highest ceiling of the 3 and I wouldn't rule out a Joey Carbery rise for him.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby mildlyinterested » July 11th, 2017, 8:21 am

I think Byrne quite obviously improved over the season, hopefully he can continue that improvement.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby mildlyinterested » July 11th, 2017, 8:34 am

Last season we had an injured Henshaw, a relatively new Ringrose and Reid.

This season we have an injured Henshaw/Ringrose combo, Reid and a relatively new ROL.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Barry » July 13th, 2017, 8:58 am

any word on Sexton & O'Brien's injuries ? they had scans on Monday, have heard nothing since.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby R-Dog » July 14th, 2017, 12:15 pm

For some Friday nostalgia...surprising cap numbers for some on here

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/teams/histo ... er-squads/
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby El Diablo » July 14th, 2017, 2:49 pm

Cathalsmart wrote:Everyone when talking about the O'Briens I presume are talking about Jimmy & Conor but I'm wondering could Tommy also come into the equation, 2 years younger yes but definetly has the highest ceiling of the 3 and I wouldn't rule out a Joey Carbery rise for him.

No. His priority this year is to develop physically while not losing speed and footwork. He may get some chances at A level but I would imagine his priority is to be the number 1 inside centre with the Irish u20s and to have a good AIL season.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby the spoofer » July 18th, 2017, 9:27 am

It appears as if Tadhg Furlong has had an op on his thumb. Not great news for a prop.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby mildlyinterested » July 18th, 2017, 9:52 am

El Diablo wrote:
Cathalsmart wrote:Everyone when talking about the O'Briens I presume are talking about Jimmy & Conor but I'm wondering could Tommy also come into the equation, 2 years younger yes but definetly has the highest ceiling of the 3 and I wouldn't rule out a Joey Carbery rise for him.

No. His priority this year is to develop physically while not losing speed and footwork. He may get some chances at A level but I would imagine his priority is to be the number 1 inside centre with the Irish u20s and to have a good AIL season.


It will be interesting to see how he does develop physically.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Armchair » July 18th, 2017, 9:54 am

Barry wrote:any word on Sexton & O'Brien's injuries ? they had scans on Monday, have heard nothing since.
SOB is reportedly fine no issues and like other lions are in line to return in October even Henshaw. Ringrose is the one for concern and unplanned for.
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Re: Leinster Senior Squad 2017/2018

Postby Laighin Break » July 18th, 2017, 1:12 pm

paddyor wrote:I could see us being allowed to sign someone and not use them like Munster with Sean Doyle in 2015 (IIRC) or us with that prop Saffer Van Whatisname (also in 2015/6 IIRC).


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