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Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby wixfjord » April 29th, 2017, 5:38 pm

Last regular league of the season, and it's the least important of the season too.
Ulster are awful at the moment, and our main decision is whether to send up a few guys who need game time or just go complete A side.
I think Ulster might want to put on a bit of a performance, so could be a good blowout for a few guys.

I'd go something like:
Healy, Cronin, Bent, Molony, Triggs, Ruddock, VDF, Timmins, JGP, Carbery, Isa, Reid, ROL, A Byrne, ZK
Dooley, Tracy, Ross, Nagle, Conan, McGrath, R. Byrne, Ferg

Don't think there's much need to throw in any of our starting internationals. The likes of Isa, Healy, Cronin could do with a bit of gametime, and Conan likewise.

I'd back that side to have enough to win in Ulster.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby simonokeeffe » April 29th, 2017, 6:31 pm

if we dont play the internationals theyll have had a month off before the league semi which is too long IMO

Only calls then for me are Byrne v McFadden at 14 and who (is fit and) plays in backrow with JVDF and Ruddock (I'd rest Leavy)
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby wixfjord » April 29th, 2017, 6:33 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:if we dont play the internationals theyll have had a month off before the league semi which is too long IMO

Only calls then for me are Byrne v McFadden at 14 and who (is fit and) plays in backrow with JVDF and Ruddock (I'd rest Leavy)


That is true, forgot there was a week free in between.
Still, I don't think playing the likes of Sexton, Furlong, Toner, Henshaw etc in Belfast is worth the risk.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby rooster » April 30th, 2017, 10:48 am

Best thing for us up here would be send up strongest side possible and beat us out through the gate, mind you your 3rd's will probably suffice.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby johng » April 30th, 2017, 11:48 am

I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?

No word on Heaslip which could mean he is out for the season or that he is in some mad stargatelike sarcophagus recuperating for a late lions push.

We can pick a team based on whatever we need in terms of gametime, momentum building, rest, combinations building etc.

No need to win this game but no harm in winning it either. And we can't even do Ulster a favour as they are fairly nailed on for 5th no matter what happens in this game
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby Laighin Break » April 30th, 2017, 1:58 pm

johng wrote:I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?

No word on Heaslip which could mean he is out for the season or that he is in some mad stargatelike sarcophagus recuperating for a late lions push.

We can pick a team based on whatever we need in terms of gametime, momentum building, rest, combinations building etc.

No need to win this game but no harm in winning it either. And we can't even do Ulster a favour as they are fairly nailed on for 5th no matter what happens in this game


Whatever about Schmidt having an influence on players playing/rested, I'd say the coaches don't care one but what Gatty wants.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby johng » April 30th, 2017, 2:00 pm

they would be told to care
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby Donny B. » April 30th, 2017, 2:29 pm

johng wrote:I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?



Gatty can go and f%~k himself. Lions has absolutely no relevance to Leinster and nor should it ever have.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby rooster » April 30th, 2017, 2:31 pm

Donny B. wrote:
johng wrote:I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?



Gatty can go and f%~k himself. Lions has absolutely no relevance to Leinster and nor should it ever have.

If they play as badly as our 2 yesterday you would be better putting them on gardening leave for the rest of the season
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby fourthirtythree » April 30th, 2017, 2:51 pm

Leo pretty much said, as far as Leinster ever say about injuries, that they are out for the season.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby johng » April 30th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Donny B. wrote:
johng wrote:I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?



Gatty can go and f%~k himself. Lions has absolutely no relevance to Leinster and nor should it ever have.
Leinster is owned by one of the 4 unions that donates players to the lions......
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby Experimental » April 30th, 2017, 4:21 pm

Not sure I'd say Ulster are awful, they seem to be missing the magic formula, as Trimble put it, but they're not that far away imo. They just don't look hungry enough, they've got huge talent in that squad. I'd give the young guns another chance for the experience, and rest the Lions against them.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 30th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Maybe not, they certainly created enough chances yesterday. But it does feel like they have serious issues there and can't wait for the season to end as opposed to can't wait for next week where they can show everyone how good they are. I think the only thing that might save them is giving Pienaar a great send off but he went off injured yesterday so no guarantee he'll even play.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby artaneboy » April 30th, 2017, 5:31 pm

Experimental wrote:Not sure I'd say Ulster are awful, they seem to be missing the magic formula, as Trimble put it, but they're not that far away imo. They just don't look hungry enough, they've got huge talent in that squad. I'd give the young guns another chance for the experience, and rest the Lions against them.

True. I'm expecting Jonno Gibbs to work wonders on their intensity. Him, and a more hand-on Les Kiss could turn them from nearly men to contenders.


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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby Oldschool » April 30th, 2017, 5:49 pm

johng wrote:I'd say Gatty might want some of our lions rested. Otherwise why not send the best we've got?

No word on Heaslip which could mean he is out for the season or that he is in some mad stargatelike sarcophagus recuperating for a late lions push.

We can pick a team based on whatever we need in terms of gametime, momentum building, rest, combinations building etc.

No need to win this game but no harm in winning it either. And we can't even do Ulster a favour as they are fairly nailed on for 5th no matter what happens in this game

I'd say Gatty wouldn't express an opinion for fear he'd be told to f^ck off and rightly so.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby rooster » April 30th, 2017, 6:27 pm

artaneboy wrote:
Experimental wrote:Not sure I'd say Ulster are awful, they seem to be missing the magic formula, as Trimble put it, but they're not that far away imo. They just don't look hungry enough, they've got huge talent in that squad. I'd give the young guns another chance for the experience, and rest the Lions against them.

True. I'm expecting Jonno Gibbs to work wonders on their intensity. Him, and a more hand-on Les Kiss could turn them from nearly men to contenders.


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Errr, Kiss has been the hands on coach this past season and a half, he doesn't do anything else
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby nc6000 » April 30th, 2017, 7:20 pm

This must be the third or fourth time over the last five or six seasons where Ulster have looked forward to a new coach coming in to turn things around and it hasn't got them anywhere. What can Gibbes do differently to the rest?
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby johng » April 30th, 2017, 8:23 pm

Hey. I'm not a big fan of the Lions either. I don't like the concept of Gatty telling us who to rest any more than the next man. The reality is though the 4 unions make a lump of cash out of it.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby rooster » April 30th, 2017, 9:25 pm

nc6000 wrote:This must be the third or fourth time over the last five or six seasons where Ulster have looked forward to a new coach coming in to turn things around and it hasn't got them anywhere. What can Gibbes do differently to the rest?

No idea but he certainly can't be any worse than Kiss, just wish they had let Gibbes pick his own backs coach and not just hand him Peel whether he thinks he will be any good or not.
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Re: Ulster v Leinster Saturday 5.15

Postby hugonaut » April 30th, 2017, 9:56 pm

johng wrote:they would be told to care


I don't think so. The player management system is in place so that Ireland perform optimally – that's Nucifora and Schmidt's concern. It's their job. How the Lions perform is not on their radar.

The British press [especially the English and the Welsh] are really pushing Gatland as the capo di tutti capi of NH rugby at the moment with everyone rowing in behind him but, like so much of the coverage of the Lions, it's a mix between hype, nostalgia and wish-fulfilment.

From what I know about Nucifora, I can't imagine that he particularly gives a sh*t how Gatland or the Lions do, because there's nothing in it for him. Schmidt wouldn't and won't entertain any interference from the Welsh coach in how any Irish side is selected. As he regularly says himself, he has far less influence in how provincial teams are selected than some people think, and he's the national coach – he's hardly going to step in on Gatland's behalf, when the latter has no interest in benefitting Irish rugby.

There may be a few bigwigs left in the IRFU who would put the performance of the Lions over the performance of the provinces at the business end of the season, but the decision on who plays or who doesn't play is entirely out of their hands.
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