Dillane is the only one I reckon is better than Beirne though. Would be straight shoot between him and Browne and Beirne wins that IMOleinsterforever wrote:I think Connacht are pretty well stocked when it comes to second rows. They've got Dillane, Roux, Browne, Cannon and Thornbury.simonokeeffe wrote:Provincial world is his oyster next summer
Connacht: definite starter
Ulster: probable starter
Munster: 1st choice 23 at worst
In fact, we might end up with a similar thread to this one for Thornbury if he comes through well
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Dave Cahill wrote:Jesus, the levels of wild hype are nagley coplandesque
Honourable mention to Ruaidhrí Murphy who got better the further away he was. The Wallabies can't believe he slipped through their fingers.
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Dont think its that hypey sic to say Beirne would be ahead of Alan O'Connor, James Cannon, Darren O'Shea, Gavin Thornbury
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Ah Darren, did he realise last summer that he was just last years Robin Copeland or next years Tadgh Beirne
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You can add Ian Nagle and Mick Kearney to that list. Ross Molony is debatable.simonokeeffe wrote:Dont think its that hypey sic to say Beirne would be ahead of Alan O'Connor, James Cannon, Darren O'Shea, Gavin Thornbury
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All 3 kind of looking at make or break seasons, first two especiallyneiliog93 wrote:You can add Ian Nagle and Mick Kearney to that list. Ross Molony is debatable.simonokeeffe wrote:Dont think its that hypey sic to say Beirne would be ahead of Alan O'Connor, James Cannon, Darren O'Shea, Gavin Thornbury
Think we arguably have the strongest second row department of the 4 provinces, not sure when was the last time you could say that
Toner Fardy Ryan Molony Kearney Nagle
Kleyn Holland O'Shea Wycherly DOC2
Dillane Browne Roux Cannon Thornbury
Henderson Treadwell AOC Browne
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All the movement in the Munster second row – Ryan to Racing, Foley to Pau, Chisholm retiring and Madigan being released - should play out well for O'Shea.Dave Cahill wrote:Ah Darren, did he realise last summer that he was just last years Robin Copeland or next years Tadgh Beirne
Kleyn will be a big player for them next season and Holland is ultra reliable, but past those two there's a lot of room for gametime and improvement. O'Shea was clearly getting the nod ahead of Sean McCarthy in selection [the latter only got two minutes of first class gametime this season, and is surprisingly only two months younger than the former], and they're the only four out-and-out second rows in Munster's senior squad heading into the summer.
A number of people have been saying for a long time that David O'Callaghan is going to do this and that as a lock, but he plays there very rarely and they will need him on the blindside next year. I don't fancy either Stander or O'Mahony having a full and productive provincial season on the back of a Lions tour. Erasmus is clearly not a big fan of Robin Copeland, either in the second row or in the backrow.
Wycherly looks like a player with a lot of potential but it's a big ask to step up straight from U20s rugby to a full season in the pros. There's also a big size disparity there: even if Wycherly is bigger than the 196cm and 94kg he's listed at in the Munster and Ireland websites, O'Shea is a huge man at 206cm and 120kg. Physical size is a massive deal in the second row.
I don't doubt that Erasmus will attract a good South African second row to Munster in the off-season, but I wouldn't be too dismissive of O'Shea having a decent year down south.
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I think that's more a reflection on how poor the talent pool in the second row is right now. A lot of big players have gone over a relatively short period of time and there is definitely a void there. Hopefully Ryan will step in to fill part of it. I'm not sold on any of Kearney, Nagle or Molony becoming international starter quality locks.simonokeeffe wrote:All 3 kind of looking at make or break seasons, first two especiallyneiliog93 wrote:You can add Ian Nagle and Mick Kearney to that list. Ross Molony is debatable.simonokeeffe wrote:Dont think its that hypey sic to say Beirne would be ahead of Alan O'Connor, James Cannon, Darren O'Shea, Gavin Thornbury
Think we arguably have the strongest second row department of the 4 provinces, not sure when was the last time you could say that
Toner Fardy Ryan Molony Kearney Nagle
Kleyn Holland O'Shea Wycherly DOC2
Dillane Browne Roux Cannon Thornbury
Henderson Treadwell AOC Browne
So essentially, we have 3 decent Pro12 players, an established international, a very old international back-row and a very young international prospect (with cap!) that everyone is praying his body can hold up to this level of rugby. I get the urgency in developing him, but he has had a lot of injuries, I hope they're not risking anything by pushing him too hard too soon.
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Limerick Leader amongst others reprting Beirne is moving to Munster (with IRFU influence) after the coming season, also means Grobler is probably a place holder for him
Would be a good signing for them. Keeps Dillane in Galway too
Would be a good signing for them. Keeps Dillane in Galway too
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I wonder who made that happen given that (as far as we know) they don't have a head coach in place for when he arrives.
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Nucifora via PGB?LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I wonder who made that happen given that (as far as we know) they don't have a head coach in place for when he arrives.
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That's not 100% true though.
There's only one real line of insight in the whole Limerick Leader piece:
'Leader Sport understands that Munster and the IRFU are hoping to bolster their second row options by bringing 24-year-old Scarlets Guinness PRO12 winner Beirne to the province for 2018/2019.'
They're reporting that they want to bring him back, that's about it.
The story was picked up by others, but no other original reporting as far as I can see.
There's only one real line of insight in the whole Limerick Leader piece:
'Leader Sport understands that Munster and the IRFU are hoping to bolster their second row options by bringing 24-year-old Scarlets Guinness PRO12 winner Beirne to the province for 2018/2019.'
They're reporting that they want to bring him back, that's about it.
The story was picked up by others, but no other original reporting as far as I can see.
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yeah there is a bit of 2 + 2 = maybe about it; Grobbler on one year deal, Holland not getting any younger, high profile Irish lock out of contract next summerwixfjord wrote:That's not 100% true though.
There's only one real line of insight in the whole Limerick Leader piece:
'Leader Sport understands that Munster and the IRFU are hoping to bolster their second row options by bringing 24-year-old Scarlets Guinness PRO12 winner Beirne to the province for 2018/2019.'
They're reporting that they want to bring him back, that's about it.
The story was picked up by others, but no other original reporting as far as I can see.
would say the IRFU are keen to have him back and playing for Ireland would mean a lot more to him than playing for Wales
and sure even if he hates Leinster for some reason then Munster is the perfect place to go
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Speaking of that, Mark Flanagan could actually be available too. A line-out lock like him might suit Munster's needs well.simonokeeffe wrote:yeah there is a bit of 2 + 2 = maybe about it; Grobbler on one year deal, Holland not getting any younger, high profile Irish lock out of contract next summerwixfjord wrote:That's not 100% true though.
There's only one real line of insight in the whole Limerick Leader piece:
'Leader Sport understands that Munster and the IRFU are hoping to bolster their second row options by bringing 24-year-old Scarlets Guinness PRO12 winner Beirne to the province for 2018/2019.'
They're reporting that they want to bring him back, that's about it.
The story was picked up by others, but no other original reporting as far as I can see.
would say the IRFU are keen to have him back and playing for Ireland would mean a lot more to him than playing for Wales
and sure even if he hates Leinster for some reason then Munster is the perfect place to go
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Not necessarily that IRFU want him back after one great season as he has had doesn't make him top priority all of a sudden. More relevant is that provinces signings need to be Irish qualified
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I'm slightly surprised not to have heard yet of any Keltic Kiwis on their way to any of the provinces... Maybe that granny rule route will take a while to get up and running?Armchair wrote:Not necessarily that IRFU want him back after one great season as he has had doesn't make him top priority all of a sudden. More relevant is that provinces signings need to be Irish qualified
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Tadgh Beirne has been offered a contract extension, says Scarlets head coach Wayne Pivac.
Second row Beirne, 25, has been linked with Munster after playing a pivotal role in the Welsh region's championship victory last season.
The lock joined from Leinster and is being targeted by the team Scarlets beat in the Pro12 final in May.
"We've spoken to his agent and to Tadgh and offered him an extension on his contract," said Pivac.
"He has a bit of a dilemma in that he is playing so well that all of a sudden there are some noises coming out of Ireland.
"I don't think they wanted to know him 12 months ago, and that's why he came here to the Scarlets to get some regular rugby."
Beirne's Ireland ambitions
Beirne played 24 games in the 2016-17 season and scored a try as Scarlets beat Munster 46-22 in the Pro12 final at Dublin's Aviva Stadium.
Pivac believes any decision will be based on Beirne's Ireland international ambitions.
"He's one we will continue to talk to and he has another big season coming up here," said Pivac.
"If he doesn't back up his performances from last season then there won't be any noises coming out of Ireland.
"He wants to play for Ireland and who can blame him? We'll wait and see how that one pans out."
Tadgh Beirne has been offered a contract extension, says Scarlets head coach Wayne Pivac.
Second row Beirne, 25, has been linked with Munster after playing a pivotal role in the Welsh region's championship victory last season.
The lock joined from Leinster and is being targeted by the team Scarlets beat in the Pro12 final in May.
"We've spoken to his agent and to Tadgh and offered him an extension on his contract," said Pivac.
"He has a bit of a dilemma in that he is playing so well that all of a sudden there are some noises coming out of Ireland.
"I don't think they wanted to know him 12 months ago, and that's why he came here to the Scarlets to get some regular rugby."
Beirne's Ireland ambitions
Beirne played 24 games in the 2016-17 season and scored a try as Scarlets beat Munster 46-22 in the Pro12 final at Dublin's Aviva Stadium.
Pivac believes any decision will be based on Beirne's Ireland international ambitions.
"He's one we will continue to talk to and he has another big season coming up here," said Pivac.
"If he doesn't back up his performances from last season then there won't be any noises coming out of Ireland.
"He wants to play for Ireland and who can blame him? We'll wait and see how that one pans out."
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