Academy 2017/2018

[hugonaut]

Mildly, do you know what the story is with the former Belvo winger James McKeown? He looked like a pro waiting to happen at schools level, but I haven't heard anything about him since he played for the Irish U19s 20 months ago [source: http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /37268.php ]. Any idea what's going on with him?

[mildlyinterested]

Mildly, do you know what the story is with the former Belvo winger James McKeown? He looked like a pro waiting to happen at schools level, but I haven't heard anything about him since he played for the Irish U19s 20 months ago [source: http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /37268.php ]. Any idea what's going on with him?

Went to Australia last year as a under-20.
Was with Clontarf earlier this season not sure of his current status

[the spoofer]

Not sure where to post this but see Adam Coyle was training with senior squad today.

[mildlyinterested]

LEINSTER DEVELOPMENT side that defeated Ireland u20 side before christmas:

15. Tom Roche (Lansdowne) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
14. Jack Kelly (Dublin University) - (under-21)(Academy)
13. Sean O'Brien (Clontarf) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
12. Myles Carey (St. Mary's College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
11. Aaron O'Sullivan (IQ Rugby) - Wasps
10. Conor Kelly (Clontarf) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
9. Patrick Patterson (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
1. Adam Coyle (St. Mary's College) - (under-22)
2. Eoghan Clarke (Wanderers) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
3. Roman Salanoa (Old Belvedere) - ?
4. JJ O'Dea (Old Wesley) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
5. Oisin Dowling (Lansdowne) - (under-21)(Academy)
6. Cian Reilly (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
7. Richard Dunne (Dublin University) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
8. Ronan Foley (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
16. Richie Bergin (UCD) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
17. Niall McEniff (St. Mary's College) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
18. Joe Byrne (Dublin University) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
19. Charlie Ryan (UCD) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
20. Reuben Pimm (Dublin University) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
21. Ronan Watters (St. Mary's College) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
22. Mark Fabian (Terenure College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
23. Craig Kennedy (St. Mary's College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
24. Chris Carey (Old Belvedere) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)

[mildlyinterested]

Leinster players who played for IRELAND U-20 in past two weeks:

LH Prop: Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster)
TH Prop: Jack Aungier (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
TH Prop: Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster)
Hooker: Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)
2nd Row: Cormac Daly (Clontarf/Leinster)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster)
2nd Row: Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)(U19)
Backrow: Caelan Doris (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Backrow: Max Kearney (Dublin University/Leinster)
Backrow: Ronan Foley (UCD/Leinster)
Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Outhalf: Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)(U19)
Outhalf: Conor Kelly (Clontarf/Leinster)(U19)
Centre: Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster)
Centre: Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Wing: Peter Sullivan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Wing: Peter Maher (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Fullback: Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster).

[mildlyinterested]

Not sure where to post this but see Adam Coyle was training with senior squad today.

with loughman gone to munster and Vakh injured that's not too surprising.

[hugonaut]

Leinster players who played for IRELAND U-20 in past two weeks:

LH Prop: Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster)
TH Prop: Jack Aungier (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
TH Prop: Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster)
Hooker: Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)
2nd Row: Cormac Daly (Clontarf/Leinster)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster)
2nd Row: Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)(U19)
Backrow: Caelan Doris (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Backrow: Max Kearney (Dublin University/Leinster)
Backrow: Ronan Foley (UCD/Leinster)
Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Outhalf: Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)(U19)
Outhalf: Conor Kelly (Clontarf/Leinster)(U19)
Centre: Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster)
Centre: Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Wing: Peter Sullivan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Wing: Peter Maher (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Fullback: Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster).

Excellent work, thank you.

[Ruckedtobits]

LEINSTER DEVELOPMENT side that defeated Ireland u20 side before christmas:

15. Tom Roche (Lansdowne) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
14. Jack Kelly (Dublin University) - (under-21)(Academy)
13. Sean O'Brien (Clontarf) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
12. Myles Carey (St. Mary's College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
11. Aaron O'Sullivan (IQ Rugby) - Wasps
10. Conor Kelly (Clontarf) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
9. Patrick Patterson (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
1. Adam Coyle (St. Mary's College) - (under-22)
2. Eoghan Clarke (Wanderers) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
3. Roman Salanoa (Old Belvedere) - ?
4. JJ O'Dea (Old Wesley) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
5. Oisin Dowling (Lansdowne) - (under-21)(Academy)
6. Cian Reilly (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
7. Richard Dunne (Dublin University) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
8. Ronan Foley (UCD) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
16. Richie Bergin (UCD) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
17. Niall McEniff (St. Mary's College) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
18. Joe Byrne (Dublin University) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
19. Charlie Ryan (UCD) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
20. Reuben Pimm (Dublin University) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
21. Ronan Watters (St. Mary's College) - (under-19)(Sub-Academy)
22. Mark Fabian (Terenure College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
23. Craig Kennedy (St. Mary's College) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)
24. Chris Carey (Old Belvedere) - (under-20)(Sub-Academy)

A number of promising players in that crew. Up front Clarke from Wanderers was very much in evidence whilst Sean O'Brien looked a smart operator in mid-field. No 7 Dunne and No 22 Fabian also had their moments in first and second half respectively.

[mildlyinterested]

Clarke is an interesting one, u18 intl prop... played 8 last season for CBC, moved to hooker.. huge need at that position obviously but has an uphill battle to get u20 intl caps.. which is usually where a leinster player earns an academy place

[mildlyinterested]

Leinster u19 youths lost 52-0 to St. Michaels College SCT in donnybrook yesterday.

realisitically michaels side is more talented, better conditioned, more familiar with each other and possibly better coached so result shouldn't really be a surprise.

still not a great scoreline to see.

[A16]

Leinster u19 youths lost 52-0 to St. Michaels College SCT in donnybrook yesterday.

realisitically michaels side is more talented, better conditioned, more familiar with each other and possibly better coached so result shouldn't really be a surprise.

still not a great scoreline to see.

Were you watching the game? And if so, who stood out for you? If you weren’t at the match, or you didn’t hear then no worries anyway.

[mildlyinterested]

Mildly, do you know what the story is with the former Belvo winger James McKeown? He looked like a pro waiting to happen at schools level, but I haven't heard anything about him since he played for the Irish U19s 20 months ago [source: http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /37268.php ]. Any idea what's going on with him?

Went to Australia last year as a under-20.
Was with Clontarf earlier this season not sure of his current status

Update: with Clontarf but currently injured.

[mildlyinterested]

Players through Leinster Academy since 2009:

Props:
[2009]Royce Burke-Flynn -- AIL
[2009]Jamie Hagan -- Béziers
[2009]Ruaidhri Murphy -- retired
[2010-2011]Stewart Maguire -- out of rugby
[2010]Jack McGrath -- Leinster
[2010-2012]Jack O'Connell -- Bristol
[2011-2012]Martin Moore -- Wasps
[2011-2013]Tadhg Furlong -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Edward Byrne -- Leinster
[2013-2015]Peter Dooley -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Oisin Heffernan -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Jeremy Loughman -- Munster
[2016]Andrew Porter -- Leinster
[2017]Vakh Abdaladze -- Leinster
[2017]Jack Aungier -- Leinster

Hookers:
[2009]Richie Sweeney -- out of rugby
[2009]Jason Harris Wright -- Bristol
[2009-2011]Tom Sexton -- AIL
[2011-2012]David Doyle -- retired due to injury
[2011-2013]James Tracy -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Brian Byrne -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Sean McNulty -- Leinster
[2017]Ronan Kelleher -- Leinster

Second Row:
[2008-2010]Eoin Sherriff -- retired due to injury
[2008-2009]Conor McInerney -- retired due to injury
[2010-2012]Mark Flanagan -- Saracens
[2010-2012]Ciaran Ruddock -- AIL
[2010-2012]Ben Marshall -- retired due to injury
[2012-2014]Gavin Thornbury -- Connacht
[2012-2014]Tadhg Beirne -- Scarlets
[2013-2014]Ross Molony -- Leinster
[2015-2016]David O'Connor -- AIL
[2016]James Ryan -- Leinster
[2017]Oisin Dowling -- Leinster

Backrow:
[2008-2010]Paul Ryan -- retired due to injury
[2010]Rhys Ruddock -- Leinster
[2010-2011]Dominic Ryan -- Leicester
[2010-2012]Jordi Murphy -- Leinster
[2011-2013]Conor Gilsenan -- London Irish
[2011-2014]Jordan Coghlan -- Nottingham
[2012-2013]Jack Conan -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Josh Van Der Flier -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Dan Leavy -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Peadar Timmins -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Josh Murphy -- Leinster
[2016]Max Deegan -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Will Connors -- Leinster
[2017]Caelan Doris -- Leinster

Scrumhalf:
[2008-2009]Paul O'Donohoe -- retired due to injury
[2008-2009]David Moore -- out of rugby
[2010-2012]John Cooney -- Ulster
[2011-2013]Luke McGrath -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Nick McCarthy -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Charlie Rock -- Leinster
[2017]Hugh O'Sullivan -- Leinster

Outhalf:
[2009-2011]Ian McKinley -- Treviso
[2009]James Power -- out of rugby
[2010-2011]Ian Madigan -- Bristol
[2012-2014]Cathal Marsh -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Ross Byrne -- Leinster
[2015-2016]Joey Carbery -- Leinster

Centre:
[2009-2010]Kyle Tonetti -- retired due to injury
[2009-2012]Eamonn Sheridan -- Oyonnax
[2009]Gary Foley -- out of rugby
[2010]Brendan Macken -- Wasps
[2010-2012]Noel Reid -- Leinster
[2011-2013]Colm O'Shea -- retired due to injury
[2013-2016]Steve Crosbie -- Connacht
[2013-2016]Thomas Daly -- Leinster
[2013-2016]Tom Farrell -- Connacht
[2014-2015]Garry Ringrose -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Rory O'Loughlin -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Harrison Brewer -- AIL
[2016-2017]Conor O'Brien -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jimmy O'Brien -- Leinster
[2017]Gavin Mullin -- Leinster

Back 3:
[2009]Cian Aherne -- out of rugby
[2009-2010]David Kearney -- Leinster
[2009-2010]Niall Morris -- retired due to injury
[2009]Felix Jones -- retired due to injury
[2010]Andrew Conway -- Munster
[2010]Shane Monahan -- out of rugby
[2010-2011]Michael Keating -- retired
[2010-2012]Darren Hudson -- AIL
[2010-2013]Sam Coghlan Murray -- AIL
[2011-2013]Andrew Boyle -- out of rugby
[2011-2012]Michael Sherlock -- AIL
[2013-2015]Adam Byrne -- Leinster
[2013-2015]Billy Dardis -- AIL
[2014-2017]Ian Fitzpatrick -- Leinster
[2014-2015]Cian Kelleher -- Connacht
[2016]Jack Power - Munster
[2016-2017]Terry Kennedy -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Hugo Kennan -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jack Kelly -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jordan Larmour -- Leinster
[2017]Tommy O'Brien -- Leinster
[2017]Ciaran Frawley -- Leinster

[arsebiscuits1]

Wow. Real throwback with some names in there.

I didn't know Colm O'Shea retired. Didn't he line out in an uncapped Ireland XV against the Baabaas?

Didn't they try and make Coughlan and Brewers into centres despite being promising back rowers?

The sheer amount of players still playing professionally is quite incredible

[Raydollard]

The large number retired due to injury should worry rugby fans. There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the game

[Ruckedtobits]

The large number retired due to injury should worry rugby fans. There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the game

Not really. 10 'retired due to injury' out of a list of 98 over a nine year period is not excessive to anybody who looks at such numbers. Across pro & semi-pro rugby in France the weekly injury rate is 20% within some 40 Clubs. Premiership and Championship have similar numbers based on a study by (or for) the Pro Players Association in 2015.

On that basis, our numbers for injury retirements is low and in fact compares favourably with the equivalent in Club Rugby here in Ireland c. 2010. (Haven't seen more recent numbers)

[Raydollard]

20% retirements due to injury is a shocking statistic and surely calls for remedial action by the authorities. I think it beyond doubt that rugby is becoming more attritional by the year and that there will be consequences flowing from that.

[Ruckedtobits]

@raydollard, slight anomoly in the statistical comparison as the 20% is the average weekly injury list among those 40 French clubs, not directly comparable with retirements due to injury.

However, it is a contact sport and as far back as the mid-1990's Irish AIL Clubs were using on average 37 players in an AIL season and often had more that a fifth (20%) unavailable at any given point in the season. That's just seven or eight players missing each week, which is a fairly normal sceanario for any rugby coach at competitive level.

[neiliog93]

Was researching Roman Salanoa there. He's 19, and was an American high school bench press champion (185 kg, almost as much as Cian Healy). He's Hawaiaan/Tongan Polynesian and was in college on an American football scholarship but played both rugby and American football throughout high school, and has played for the US u-20 rugby team.. He's 6'0" tall and weighs a pretty colossal 134 kg (21 st 3 lb). Presumably the type of ridiculous athlete where if he can be made fit and technically sound, could make a big impact at the highest level.

[mildlyinterested]

Was researching Roman Salanoa there. He's 19, and was an American high school bench press champion (185 kg, almost as much as Cian Healy). He's Hawaiaan/Tongan Polynesian and was a college football player but played both rugby and American football throughout high school. He's 6'0" tall and weighs a pretty colossal 134 kg (21 st 3 lb). Presumably the type of ridiculous athlete where if he can be made fit and technically sound, could make a big impact at the highest level.

i wouldnt be getting my hopes up but certainly interesting.