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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby joooooe » July 11th, 2017, 12:32 pm

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Dave Cahill wrote:Sorry, but that simply isn't true. His teammates were less than impressed with him either and they actually suspended him from the irish squad themselves. You don't throw the irish shirt on the floor and not face reprecussions.

Oh, what's not true; that he wasn't selected for the Lions because of a national "disciplinary" issue? Is that not what both of us effectively said?

Look, it doesn't matter anyway. Getting back to the essence of the matter, we are supposed to value the Lions as the pinnacle of the sport in these islands. Well maybe the players regard it so, but many of us fans just don't buy it. I don't hate the Lions concept; but I don't regard it as worth any sacrifice in terms of Leinster and Ireland. End of.


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I'm in the same boat as you, Artaneboy. I just don't buy the Lions as a concept any more. I used to enjoy it - the alternative at this time of year being cycling or tennis - but a combination of massive hype (I give it 6 months before the first mention of "if he continues like this he could be on the plane to South Africa in 2021) and the toll paid by club/provincial sides has turned me right off.

I love the Ryder Cup, an oft-used comparator for the Lions, but that's because I am European, Europe being a tangible entity. I have never described myself as "British and Irish" nor, prior to 2001, "British". I could get behind it if it became a 6 Nations selection but the whole concept strikes me as a strange contrivance.

I felt like this 4 years ago and was made to feel like a freak by some people. This time around I have come across far more people with the same view as me. It is probably only a matter of time before a player turns down a call-up, if it hasn't quietly happened already (I'm thinking of the sort of freakishly talented mercenaries like the Armitage brothers or David Strettle). Before you think that's nonsense, be reminded that both McCaw and Carter took non-injury-enforced sabbaticals in the middle of their careers in order to prolong their useful playing time.

Finally, back on topic, Ringrose's injury is unfortunate but he should be humming by the sharp end of the season and, as noted by others above, it provides a great opportunity for the likes of Reid and O'Loughlin to step up...who knows, if they really show their stuff they could be on the plane in 2021...
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby riocard911 » July 11th, 2017, 12:33 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Silverware - its been three years since we won somthing


+1. By any means necessary!!!!
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby the spoofer » July 11th, 2017, 12:42 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Silverware - its been three years since we won somthing


That's all that matters this year. f%~k developing players, we do that and they are held back to play for Ireland or the cr@p that is the Lions. I have no doubt at all that players were held back from Leinster to keep them fresh for the Lions.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby Ruckedtobits » July 11th, 2017, 1:03 pm

the spoofer wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Silverware - its been three years since we won somthing


That's all that matters this year. f%~k developing players, we do that and they are held back to play for Ireland or the cr@p that is the Lions. I have no doubt at all that players were held back from Leinster to keep them fresh for the Lions.



Totally with that view. Silverware this Season is the only priority for Leo et al, at this point. All the IRFU objectives have been met. I've never accepted the Mick Dawson outlook that a 'home quarter-final' is the obligatory KPI. Leinster are good enough and the punters have been supportive and patient enough to allow MOC screw up and Leo grow up and develop as a top-class Coach.

Now we want a trophy or Two.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby artaneboy » July 11th, 2017, 1:13 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:
the spoofer wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Silverware - its been three years since we won somthing


That's all that matters this year. f%~k developing players, we do that and they are held back to play for Ireland or the cr@p that is the Lions. I have no doubt at all that players were held back from Leinster to keep them fresh for the Lions.



Totally with that view. Silverware this Season is the only priority for Leo et al, at this point. All the IRFU objectives have been met. I've never accepted the Mick Dawson outlook that a 'home quarter-final' is the obligatory KPI. Leinster are good enough and the punters have been supportive and patient enough to allow MOC screw up and Leo grow up and develop as a top-class Coach.

Now we want a trophy or Two.

This x 4...



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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby riocard911 » July 11th, 2017, 1:15 pm

Right on! And after the Osprey disaster in the RDS last May I personally don't want to hear anymore cr@p about the advantages of home semi-finals. Damn the statistics and take each match as it comes!!!!!
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby mildlyinterested » July 11th, 2017, 1:30 pm

riocard911 wrote:Right on! And after the Osprey disaster in the RDS last May I personally don't want to hear anymore cr@p about the advantages of home semi-finals. Damn the statistics and take each match as it comes!!!!!


you mean the scarlets disaster and let's not mention that again.

utter incompetence.

also while I appreciate everyones comments re winning, players will have to be developed if we hope to win anything.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby wixfjord » July 11th, 2017, 1:47 pm

Looking on the positive side, I'm very interested to see how Reid/ROL go together. They had some lovely cameos last year, and will get tons of time together now.

Tom Daly will be getting a good bit of time too I'd say. Probably last chance saloon for him. Showed some nice stuff at low Pro12 level last year but needs a lot more to his game if he's going to be kept on.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby riocard911 » July 11th, 2017, 1:56 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
riocard911 wrote:Right on! And after the Osprey disaster in the RDS last May I personally don't want to hear anymore cr@p about the advantages of home semi-finals. Damn the statistics and take each match as it comes!!!!!


you mean the scarlets disaster and let's not mention that again.

utter incompetence.

also while I appreciate everyones comments re winning, players will have to be developed if we hope to win anything.


Scarlets, of course! Even thinking back to it causes me to lose my bearings!!!!!
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby simonokeeffe » July 11th, 2017, 4:26 pm

The league is emminently doable re silverware

Leinster and Munster are the only teams that have definitely strengthened in terms of recruitment, but Munster have the coaching situation

Glasgow though have recruited a very good coach even if their player recruitment is neutral
Ospreys have gotten weaker and still dont have the 3/4 line
Ulster have zero depth at half back
Liam Williams is a huge, huge loss to Scarlets
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby wixfjord » July 11th, 2017, 4:59 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Ospreys have gotten weaker and still dont have the 3/4 line


What do you mean, sure haven't the signed British and Irish Lion Corey Allen!
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby simonokeeffe » July 11th, 2017, 8:59 pm

wixfjord wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Ospreys have gotten weaker and still dont have the 3/4 line


What do you mean, sure haven't the signed British and Irish Lion Corey Allen!


:lol:
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Ringrose Injury

Postby ronk » July 12th, 2017, 9:16 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
wixfjord wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Ospreys have gotten weaker and still dont have the 3/4 line


What do you mean, sure haven't the signed British and Irish Lion Corey Allen!


:lol:


Development year so
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Ringrose Injury

Postby neill_m » July 12th, 2017, 11:42 pm

Corey Allen wasn't one of the geography six. He is a decent player mind.
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