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Yes, there'd be LOADS of outrage! But the Lions don't pay his wages; Ireland does. So they have the 'right' to pick and play him. But whether it was "right" to do so- that's an entirely other matter...Dave Cahill wrote:Imagine the OUTRAGE if Ringrose had been called up for the Lions with a pre-existing injury
Well then surely Leinster shouldn't pick him in case he gets injured - oh, hang on, thats already how it worksartaneboy wrote:Yes, there'd be LOADS of outrage! But the Lions don't pay his wages; Ireland does. So they have the 'right' to pick and play him. But whether it was "right" to do so- that's an entirely other matter...Dave Cahill wrote:Imagine the OUTRAGE if Ringrose had been called up for the Lions with a pre-existing injury
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Well he wasn't injured until the final game of the season, so that argument doesn't hold much water.ronk wrote:Shoulders can be funny that way. Sometimes you make them worse by playing on, sometimes it's manageable.
If we're going to make a case for pulling him from ireland matches then he probably should have been pulled for the end of Leinster's season too.
Actually it's the apex if it's own separate pyramid; an invitational side of huge prestige to players, profit to the four unions and content fodder to the media.Dave Cahill wrote:The Lions is at the apex of the pyramid of Irish Rugby - you mightn't like it, but it doesn't make it any less real.
Simon Geoghegan wasn't selected for the 93 tour because the IRFU were punishing him for his behaviour after a loss to Scotland, including a dressing room row with Noisy Murphy, the alickadoo's alickadoo - the Lions had nothing to do with it. A place was held for him up to the morning of the announcement of the '97 squad but he just couldn't get his foot right.artaneboy wrote:Irish players of immense talent and character- for example Simon Geoghegan were never picked.
We got Furlong back which is more than I expected. Didn't know when the injury happened to Ringrose, thanks.artaneboy wrote:Well he wasn't injured until the final game of the season, so that argument doesn't hold much water.ronk wrote:Shoulders can be funny that way. Sometimes you make them worse by playing on, sometimes it's manageable.
If we're going to make a case for pulling him from ireland matches then he probably should have been pulled for the end of Leinster's season too.
But it's a lot better than Dave's- which makes no sense. Our injured internationals are Leinster registered players, centrally contracted to the IRFU. So we have to accept the fact that players in that situation will get injured on occasion playing for one of those teams. We don't have to accept the justice of the fact that at least two of our star players will be out for a protracted period due to the demands of the Lions. They don't pay their salary and the Lions is not their club employer.
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If only he knew he needed to be 5th choice for Wales to be called uppaddyor wrote:So even when they don't pick our players they still manage to f8\% them up? I'm not even mad, in fact I'm impressed!simonokeeffe wrote:
Maybe Ringrose delayed the operation (and played) in case he was needed somewhere other than Japan or the USA...somewhere with long white clouds
I'll shorten that for you: he had a row with an official, so the meritorious Lions section committee omitted him from a selection that had nothing to do with the Ireland team. I'd have selected him BECAUSE of his row with Murphy.Dave Cahill wrote:Simon Geoghegan wasn't selected for the 93 tour because the IRFU were punishing him for his behaviour after a loss to Scotland, including a dressing room row with Noisy Murphy, the alickadoo's alickadoo - the Lions had nothing to do with it. A place was held for him up to the morning of the announcement of the '97 squad but he just couldn't get his foot right.artaneboy wrote:Irish players of immense talent and character- for example Simon Geoghegan were never picked.
But if its close to the wash basket its ok right?Dave Cahill wrote:Sorry, but that simply isn't true. His teammates were less than impressed with him either and they actually suspended him from the irish squad themselves. You don't throw the irish shirt on the floor and not face reprecussions.
Oh, what's not true; that he wasn't selected for the Lions because of a national "disciplinary" issue? Is that not what both of us effectively said?Dave Cahill wrote:Sorry, but that simply isn't true. His teammates were less than impressed with him either and they actually suspended him from the irish squad themselves. You don't throw the irish shirt on the floor and not face reprecussions.
Was it not that an interview appeared on the Sunday where he criticised the teams attitude to training. He had talked to the Indo I thought. The squad had a meeting that day.Dave Cahill wrote:Sorry, but that simply isn't true. His teammates were less than impressed with him either and they actually suspended him from the irish squad themselves. You don't throw the irish shirt on the floor and not face reprecussions.
The difference is Nicol was openly a coat hanger/seat filler and there was self awareness involved (of the farce)artaneboy wrote:I'll shorten that for you: he had a row with an official, so the meritorious Lions section committee omitted him from a selection that had nothing to do with the Ireland team. I'd have selected him BECAUSE of his row with Murphy.Dave Cahill wrote:Simon Geoghegan wasn't selected for the 93 tour because the IRFU were punishing him for his behaviour after a loss to Scotland, including a dressing room row with Noisy Murphy, the alickadoo's alickadoo - the Lions had nothing to do with it. A place was held for him up to the morning of the announcement of the '97 squad but he just couldn't get his foot right.artaneboy wrote:Irish players of immense talent and character- for example Simon Geoghegan were never picked.
Whereas over the years a selection of average to goodish players (Andy Nicol, Tom Court, as well as the current Six, to memory) were in the 'right place at the right time' and picked up the supposed ultimate accolade.
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Nick Popplewell gave an interview recently and said it was to do with deserved criticism of the irish team Simon G had told David Walsh, after that point he was blackballed from the lions.Dave Cahill wrote:Sorry, but that simply isn't true. His teammates were less than impressed with him either and they actually suspended him from the irish squad themselves. You don't throw the irish shirt on the floor and not face reprecussions.
According to Michael Corcoran on RTE radio 1, Jordi Murphy played a blinder for NZ in the 2nd half.ronk wrote:
We got Furlong back which is more than I expected. Didn't know when the injury happened to Ringrose, thanks.
Players will be better platters for having the Lions experience and it motivates players to work hard for Leinster and Ireland.
We got off lightly this time around with Kearney, Heaslip, Toner, Healy, Ringrose and maybe Jordi Murphy not picked/injured.
It looks like we will be missing our first choice 7, 10,12 and 13 for the forseeable future. SOB doesn't really play for us anymore so he's not really a loss. Ross Byrne has a massive opportunity to put himself in a position to become Leinsters first choice 10. We are screwed in the centre.olaf the fat wrote:According to Michael Corcoran on RTE radio 1, Jordi Murphy played a blinder for NZ in the 2nd half.ronk wrote:
We got Furlong back which is more than I expected. Didn't know when the injury happened to Ringrose, thanks.
Players will be better platters for having the Lions experience and it motivates players to work hard for Leinster and Ireland.
We got off lightly this time around with Kearney, Heaslip, Toner, Healy, Ringrose and maybe Jordi Murphy not picked/injured.
