Should Leinster try and sign Tadhg Beirne?

[mildlyinterested]

Will Leinster fans look back in a few years and deeply regret the province releasing Beirne?

Hopefully not...

[molloyjh]

Will Leinster fans look back in a few years and deeply regret the province releasing Beirne?

Hopefully not...

He was perma-injured while he was here so there really was no way that we could have known he'd have pushed on the way he did. Hindsight is 20:20 as they say. How many guys have we released like that that didn't push on? It's inevitable that some will really. As long as we're not regularly bungling that stuff up then we're fine I reckon.

Plus maybe the break from Leinster was the best thing for him too.

[mildlyinterested]

Will Leinster fans look back in a few years and deeply regret the province releasing Beirne?

Hopefully not...

He was perma-injured while he was here so there really was no way that we could have known he'd have pushed on the way he did. Hindsight is 20:20 as they say. How many guys have we released like that that didn't push on? It's inevitable that some will really. As long as we're not regularly bungling that stuff up then we're fine I reckon.

Plus maybe the break from Leinster was the best thing for him too.

I'm not saying Beirne being released was not the right move at the time.. but if he goes onto be a top tier international for Munster....

I'll certainly regret both releasing him and not ensuring we resigned him when we had a chance.

Hopefully Ryan reaches his potential and it won't be as big of a deal.

[OTT]

Will Leinster fans look back in a few years and deeply regret the province releasing Beirne?

Hopefully not...

Not sure about Leinster fans in general but I do know a certain poster on here who would have seen a 25 nearly 26 year old second row who may or may not be good enough for Ireland as a potential road block to younger players with a potentially higher ceiling like Ryan. We had to listen to that poster write off Dominic Ryan and Kevin McLaughlin and many others for years. You could ask that question on any player who has ever left Leinster. You can't keep them all as you well know.

[Dave Cahill]

I'm not saying Beirne being released was not the right move at the time.. but if he goes onto be a top tier international for Munster....

I'll certainly regret both releasing him and not ensuring we resigned him when we had a chance.

When did we have a chance to resign him?

[mildlyinterested]

I'm not saying Beirne being released was not the right move at the time.. but if he goes onto be a top tier international for Munster....

I'll certainly regret both releasing him and not ensuring we resigned him when we had a chance.

When did we have a chance to resign him?

Unless the IRFU prevented us from doing so, we had as much a chance as Munster.

[the spoofer]

I'm not saying Beirne being released was not the right move at the time.. but if he goes onto be a top tier international for Munster....

I'll certainly regret both releasing him and not ensuring we resigned him when we had a chance.

When did we have a chance to resign him?

Unless the IRFU prevented us from doing so, we had as much a chance as Munster.

That's probably the most important bit.

Leinster " Hey, Nuci, we want to sign Beirne"

Nuci "f%~k off, you have Fardy, Ryan and Toner".

[Dexter]

Will Leinster fans look back in a few years and deeply regret the province releasing Beirne?

Hopefully not...

He was perma-injured while he was here so there really was no way that we could have known he'd have pushed on the way he did. Hindsight is 20:20 as they say. How many guys have we released like that that didn't push on? It's inevitable that some will really. As long as we're not regularly bungling that stuff up then we're fine I reckon.

Plus maybe the break from Leinster was the best thing for him too.

I'm not saying Beirne being released was not the right move at the time.. but if he goes onto be a top tier international for Munster....

I'll certainly regret both releasing him and not ensuring we resigned him when we had a chance.

Hopefully Ryan reaches his potential and it won't be as big of a deal.

This is something sports teams the world over have to deal with, in all codes. It's just not possible to predict how a player may develop, or to stockpile players in case they turn out to be stars. Circumstances change, and re-signing him was probably not a realistic option for various reasons, some already alluded to.

[mildlyinterested]

This is something sports teams the world over have to deal with, in all codes. It's just not possible to predict how a player may develop, or to stockpile players in case they turn out to be stars. Circumstances change, and re-signing him was probably not a realistic option for various reasons, some already alluded to.

not sure why resigning him isn't realistic.. unless IRFU prevented it.. his form is better than any of our irish second rows.

when he is starring for Munster against us I wonder will people be so understanding.

[deco]

This is something sports teams the world over have to deal with, in all codes. It's just not possible to predict how a player may develop, or to stockpile players in case they turn out to be stars. Circumstances change, and re-signing him was probably not a realistic option for various reasons, some already alluded to.

not sure why resigning him isn't realistic.. unless IRFU prevented it.. his form is better than any of our irish second rows.

when he is starring for Munster against us I wonder will people be so understanding.

I think they will, a lot of folk on here have a soft spot for Munster. It's weird, but true.

[molloyjh]

This is something sports teams the world over have to deal with, in all codes. It's just not possible to predict how a player may develop, or to stockpile players in case they turn out to be stars. Circumstances change, and re-signing him was probably not a realistic option for various reasons, some already alluded to.

not sure why resigning him isn't realistic.. unless IRFU prevented it.. his form is better than any of our irish second rows.

when he is starring for Munster against us I wonder will people be so understanding.

It isn't realistic because in the real world there isn't a limitless supply of money. In the real world we have 2 highly experienced internationals who he would need to duke it out with for a starting place. Both of whom have shown they are quality players. Their form right now is irrelevant. Their form next season is. And there is absolutely no way to predict where that will be. Given what both have shown over the last 12 months it's realistic to suggest both will be in good form. Add to that the brightest prospect at lock in years is coming through now too, and come next season he'll have hopefully built up a few caps and is already capped internationally. This time next year we could have 3 high quality locks in place. Our need to buy in more would be low at that point and the competition for places will be high.

On the flip side Munster are really struggling at lock at the moment. They are actively looking because they really need to and the chance of slotting straight into a starting position is very high this time next season.

So on the one hand there's a team where you might have a fight on your hands to make the 23, but will almost certainly have a fight on your hands to make the starting 15. Then there's another team where you're far more certain of a place in the starting 15 and near on guaranteed a place in the 23. It's a pretty simple decision in some respects.

Looking to demonise the IRFU when there is literally not a shred of evidence that they have said or done anything is a bit much. There are far more realistic reasons why Beirne might not sign with us.

[simonokeeffe]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

[mildlyinterested]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

He does have a choice, assuming Leinster were allowed offer him a contract by the IRFU.

Wouldn't blame him for choosing Munster if he was given the choice between Munster & Leinster.

We don't know if he was though.

[molloyjh]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

He does have a choice, assuming Leinster were allowed offer him a contract by the IRFU.

Wouldn't blame him for choosing Munster if he was given the choice between Munster & Leinster.

We don't know if he was though.

And probably never will. And even if we do whether Leinster ever wanted to give him a contract. So why exactly are we talking about it, and putting so much emphasis on the IRFU?

[Dave Cahill]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

He has as much choice as Simon Easterby did in 2003

[mildlyinterested]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

He has as much choice as Simon Easterby did in 2003

so no choice, decreed by the IRFU that Munster would be the only club to offer him a contract.

[simonokeeffe]

Almost as if Beirne has a choice in the matter himself

He has as much choice as Simon Easterby did in 2003

Nah thats a false comparison, unless the analogy is Easterby never wanted to come to Dublin, he stays in West Wales and he sure as Schmidt doesnt get 60 odd caps

Him moving to Munster makes the most sense for himself and for the national side

[johng]

a lot of folk on here have a soft spot for Munster. It's weird, but true.

To translate from Decospeak.

Not hating with every last fibre of your being = having a soft spot for.



I'd love to re sign him. Fardy will only have one year left on his contract. Toner will be a year older. Himself and Ryan could make a great pair.

[johng]

[Armchair]

Beirne wanted to return to Ireland to be considered for the National team, Leinster have enough (not all quality) rsources at second row and back row for IRFU to say no we won't sanction it. Beirne told if you want back in it is Munster or your on your own, Beirne delighted to get an oppurtunity again and delighted to go there. Leinster dropped him he had no contract was about to take a real job and Scrlets took a punt and he came good. No guarantee his form or injury free run will continue in Munster. With Molony & Ryan coming thru he would have been a hindrance to their development in Leinster both rated higher by Leinster than Beirne was. Best of luck to him hope he gets capped