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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby ronk » May 27th, 2018, 10:15 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Presumably Dave K will play there, plus Larmour.

JC won't be at leinster to play 15, i fear.


Barry Daly had a start there too, Lowe’s left boot would be useful at fullback.

I still worry that we’re light at fullback (or at wing if we have to move people).

I suppose I had been expecting Larmour to concentrate on wing.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby ronk » May 27th, 2018, 10:41 pm

Actually thinking more about from Joe’s POV, there’s a need to develop at fullback so there might be pressure to play Larmour there more

Payne and Zebo have gone from the depth chart. Kearney is a lock in but must be managed.

Conway is ok but more of a winger. Earls and Stockdale can be expected to start on the wings.

TOH is out of the picture.

In terms of RWC squad Larmour and Conway are in line to round out the back 3.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » August 8th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Leinster Back Three options

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Rob Kearney(32) - Signed central contract until 2019 WC, projects as 1st choice fullback.
Fergus McFadden(32) - Signed contract in 2018, projects as top 3 winger.
Dave Kearney(29) - Signed contract in 2018, projects as squad player, possibly at fullback.
Joe Tomane(28) - Signed contract in 2018, versatility could mean he features more in the centre, but option on wing.
James Lowe(26) - Signed 3yr contract in 2017, projects as top 3 winger. May be limited due to NIQ rules.
Barry Daly(25) - Signed contract in 2017, projects as squad player on the wing.
Adam Byrne(24) - Signed contract in 2017, projects as squad player on the wing.
Rory O'Loughlin(24) - Signed contract in 2017, versatility could mean he features more in the centre, but option on wing.
Jordan Larmour(21) - Signed contract in 2018, projects as top 3 winger, could be backup fullback.

Academy
Hugo Keenan(22) - Academy Yr 3, played 7's last season, unsure how much he will be with Leinster this season. Wing primarily.
Jack Kelly(20) - Academy Yr 3, will hope to push for debut this season on either wing or fullback.
Tommy O'Brien(20) - Academy Yr 2, could play in the centre or on the wing.
Michaels Silvester(20) - Academy Yr 1, could play 7's this season, option on wing or fullback if he sticks with 15's.
Aaron O'Sullivan(18) - Academy Yr 1, will be focused on Irish u20's.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » November 14th, 2018, 9:28 am

Wing Options

Fergus McFadden(32) - injured, long term
Dave Kearney(29) - status unknown
Joe Tomane(28) - injured, long term
Barry Daly(26) - injured, long term
James Lowe(26) - healthy
Adam Byrne(24) - healthy
Rory O'Loughlin(24) - injured, severity unknown
Hugo Keenan(22) - healthy
Jordan Larmour(21) - healthy
Jack Kelly(21) - healthy
Tommy O'Brien(20) - injured, return soon
Michael Silvester(20) - healthy
Aaron O'Sullivan(18) - healthy
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby Oldschool » November 14th, 2018, 11:58 am

Mildly, does your knowledge of the younger players coming through extend to the other provinces.
If you had to select a Leinster team in four years time or an Ireland team who would be in, excluding players already established (say more than 10 caps).
EG James Lowe could be selected in an Ireland team but probably not Leinster although that's a flexible one, JGP would be in the same category.
Established would maybe be better defined as HEC established squad members.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » November 14th, 2018, 12:09 pm

Oldschool wrote:Mildly, does your knowledge of the younger players coming through extend to the other provinces.
If you had to select a Leinster team in four years time or an Ireland team who would be in, excluding players already established (say more than 10 caps).
EG James Lowe could be selected in an Ireland team but probably not Leinster although that's a flexible one, JGP would be in the same category.
Established would maybe be better defined as HEC established squad members.


what the best young talents in the other provinces?

Or a Ireland 23 in 2022, made up of players with less than 10 caps currently?
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby Oldschool » November 14th, 2018, 12:15 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Oldschool wrote:Mildly, does your knowledge of the younger players coming through extend to the other provinces.
If you had to select a Leinster team in four years time or an Ireland team who would be in, excluding players already established (say more than 10 caps).
EG James Lowe could be selected in an Ireland team but probably not Leinster although that's a flexible one, JGP would be in the same category.
Established would maybe be better defined as HEC established squad members.


what the best young talents in the other provinces?

Or a Ireland 23 in 2022, made up of players with less than 10 caps currently?

The second option might be simpler to address so an Ireland 23.
I suppose it would be silly not to include players like James Ryan who is an enigma because he has come through so young so use some latitude.
Maybe a new thread so as to not highjack this one.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » November 14th, 2018, 12:19 pm

Oldschool wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:
Oldschool wrote:Mildly, does your knowledge of the younger players coming through extend to the other provinces.
If you had to select a Leinster team in four years time or an Ireland team who would be in, excluding players already established (say more than 10 caps).
EG James Lowe could be selected in an Ireland team but probably not Leinster although that's a flexible one, JGP would be in the same category.
Established would maybe be better defined as HEC established squad members.


what the best young talents in the other provinces?

Or a Ireland 23 in 2022, made up of players with less than 10 caps currently?

The second option might be simpler to address so an Ireland 23.
I suppose it would be silly not to include players like James Ryan who is an enigma because he has come through so young so use some latitude.
Maybe a new thread so as to not highjack this one.


Yeah ill put something up in the international section
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby curates_egg » November 14th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Adam Byrne training with Ireland is an interesting one.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby hugonaut » November 14th, 2018, 7:53 pm

curates_egg wrote:Adam Byrne training with Ireland is an interesting one.


He was in a position this time last season where he played the full 80mins against Argentina, including the last 20 at outside centre ... and then he missed the next twelve weeks out injured. James Lowe arrived and Larmour scored one of the greatest individual tries in the history of Leinster rugby in a bonus point win in Thomond on St Stephens day. So he just got left behind on the treatment table and everything moved past him.

But he's got ideal size [193cm/101kg] and is very good in the air. They're qualities that Joe Schmidt puts a higher value on than many other coaches: physical size as a threequarter and an aggressive aerial game. It's also worth remembering that Schmidt gave him his first Leinster start when he was 18 ... he obviously thinks he's a big talent. I suspect he sees him as a potential back-up to Stockdale in a big winger/small winger system.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby curates_egg » November 15th, 2018, 9:56 am

hugonaut wrote:
curates_egg wrote:Adam Byrne training with Ireland is an interesting one.


He was in a position this time last season where he played the full 80mins against Argentina, including the last 20 at outside centre ... and then he missed the next twelve weeks out injured. James Lowe arrived and Larmour scored one of the greatest individual tries in the history of Leinster rugby in a bonus point win in Thomond on St Stephens day. So he just got left behind on the treatment table and everything moved past him.

But he's got ideal size [193cm/101kg] and is very good in the air. They're qualities that Joe Schmidt puts a higher value on than many other coaches: physical size as a threequarter and an aggressive aerial game. It's also worth remembering that Schmidt gave him his first Leinster start when he was 18 ... he obviously thinks he's a big talent. I suspect he sees him as a potential back-up to Stockdale in a big winger/small winger system.


It's clear that Schmidt rates him highly, because there is no real other logical explanation for him being there.
I doubt anybody would dispute his strengths: I think we are all universally excited at the prospect of him when he first broke through. It's just a shame the weaknesses remain.
I have no doubt that some of that is down to confidence, so a bit of time with Joe will do him good.
Certainly, given our availability crisis, he now has another chance to show 2016 wasn't just a flash in the pan. We need him back to that level.

Do you really see him as an understudy for Stockdale? He plays on the opposite wing.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby Dave Cahill » November 15th, 2018, 10:07 am

curates_egg wrote:
It's clear that Schmidt rates him highly, because there is no real other logical explanation for him being there.


How about he is the only fit senior winger within 100 miles of Carton House?
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby curates_egg » November 15th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
curates_egg wrote:
It's clear that Schmidt rates him highly, because there is no real other logical explanation for him being there.


How about he is the only fit senior winger within 100 miles of Carton House?


He's hardly essential for match prep; it's surely an experience thing?
Also, what is the distance argument and why doesn't it apply to Farrell?
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » November 15th, 2018, 12:59 pm

I'd say Adam could do a good impression of Ben Smith in the air, an area we struggled with last weekend.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby curates_egg » November 15th, 2018, 1:11 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Wing Options

Dave Kearney(29) - status unknown
Barry Daly(26) - injured, long term
James Lowe(26) - healthy
Adam Byrne(24) - healthy
Jordan Larmour(21) - healthy

Hugo Keenan(22) - healthy
Jack Kelly(21) - healthy


Assuming Daly isn't too far off, add Rob and this is the back three options we've essentially got until the 6 Nations.
Centre, not that much better.

If we were Munster, we'd be signing a Safa as a joker.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby Dave Cahill » November 15th, 2018, 1:13 pm

You need at least 6 back three players to prepare for a game - and thats without anyone having an injury thats being minded or needs a rest or will be subbing on the 1sts. You also want some players to be similar in style to those you'll come up against - so for the All Blacks you need a big pacy powerful guy to rep for some of their wingers - which is why Byrne is there and a big powerful guy to rep for their centres which is why Farrell is there. (And if Connacht's Tom Farrell is the actual person I think he is, he lives pretty local to Carton House too)
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby Dave Cahill » November 15th, 2018, 1:19 pm

Tomane confirmed out for 5 months.

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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » November 20th, 2018, 12:09 pm

Daly nearing a return?

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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby curates_egg » November 20th, 2018, 1:13 pm

What are people's thoughts on switching Byrne to left wing to mitigate some of his defensive issues? Has it ever been tried. If not, why not?

Of course, if we have Daly, Lowe and (potentially) Dave there, it is a bit moot.
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Re: Leinster's Back Three options going forward

Postby mildlyinterested » December 4th, 2018, 12:59 pm

Leinster fullback options under 25

Hugo Keenan(22)
Jordan Larmour(21)
Jack Kelly(21)
Michael Silvester(20)
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