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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby TrapperChamonix » September 19th, 2018, 9:50 am

A lot has been said about the production line of talent coming from St Michaels College through to professional rugby. But the more extraordinary element is the production of 2nd rows from Michaels. If we accept that there are a very small population of people who are 6'6" and above its even more surprising that they have produced Ross Moloney, Oisin Dowling, James Ryan, Jack Dunne & Ryan Baird within about a 6 or 7 year period.
If I cast my mind back a number of years Leinster were scouring the country for teenage talent who had never played rugby but who were over 6'6" when all they needed to do was walk 10 min down the road :D . AFAK (I'm pretty certain) all of the 5 listed above were not targeted / poached by the school. Must be something in the water!
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby mildlyinterested » September 19th, 2018, 9:54 am

Baird starting attending Michaels in 3rd year. IIRC.

6 successive age groups they produced an academy player 6'5 or taller
1994 - Ross Molony(6'6)
1995 - Josh Murphy(6'5)
1996 - James Ryan(6'8)
1997 - Oisin Dowling(6'5)
1998 - Jack Dunne(6'7)
1999 - Ryan Baird(6'6)

They don't have anyone in the 2000 age group, who is a prospect and that size, so that looks like it will end.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » September 19th, 2018, 11:19 am

TrapperChamonix wrote:A lot has been said about the production line of talent coming from St Michaels College through to professional rugby. But the more extraordinary element is the production of 2nd rows from Michaels. If we accept that there are a very small population of people who are 6'6" and above its even more surprising that they have produced Ross Moloney, Oisin Dowling, James Ryan, Jack Dunne & Ryan Baird within about a 6 or 7 year period.
If I cast my mind back a number of years Leinster were scouring the country for teenage talent who had never played rugby but who were over 6'6" when all they needed to do was walk 10 min down the road :D . AFAK (I'm pretty certain) all of the 5 listed above were not targeted / poached by the school. Must be something in the water!


I've wondered about this too. I'm not being funny but I wonder if there's a link between height and wealth? I heard a stat a while ago that the vast majority of CEOs are men who are over 6'5" or something like that. Now obviously there's a whole range of things that feed into that but I'm curious about it all.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby blockhead » September 22nd, 2018, 9:16 am

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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby riocard911 » September 22nd, 2018, 9:46 am



His unassuming nature is admirable. Loved the bit where he said his low injury profile is cos he can't run very fast!!!!
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby mildlyinterested » September 22nd, 2018, 10:03 am

there probably is something to that, he isn't exactly a quick twitch athlete.

will be a great presence to have around for next 5+ years, where he will hopefully break the 300 cap mark for Leinster
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby Peg Leg » September 22nd, 2018, 10:39 am

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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby Peg Leg » September 22nd, 2018, 10:45 am

riocard911 wrote:


His unassuming nature is admirable. Loved the bit where he said his low injury profile is cos he can't run very fast!!!!
The magic he has worked on his ability (in attack) from point of tackle impact in the last 3 yrs is massive. There was a stage when he made contact he was stopped exactly where he was hit and could not use his body to gain momentum, he makes contact so much lower now and consistently gains ground. But the hands, the use of those ATAT leg-like arms has been a revelation either for presentation meters away from the tackler or in getting the ball away to a support runner.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby Xanthippe » September 23rd, 2018, 1:08 am

riocard911 wrote:


His unassuming nature is admirable. Loved the bit where he said his low injury profile is cos he can't run very fast!!!!


Made a bit of a liar of himself tonight. Loved his charge down, chase and pick up - it that had been Larmour the commentators would have been beside themselves.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby blockhead » September 23rd, 2018, 1:18 am

Xanthippe wrote:
riocard911 wrote:


His unassuming nature is admirable. Loved the bit where he said his low injury profile is cos he can't run very fast!!!!


Made a bit of a liar of himself tonight. Loved his charge down, chase and pick up - it that had been Larmour the commentators would have been beside themselves.


If Larmour had been caught like TTT he would have been slated. BFG needs to push those hammys harder.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby Blueberry » September 23rd, 2018, 8:33 am

Dev is a Leinster great, always there, endlessly dependable and has added so much to his game in the last 3-4 seasons. His ball handling is super now , couple of gorgeous deft passes v Edinburgh, the charge down, endless tackling. Deserves all the plaudits and none of the criticism.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby neiliog93 » September 23rd, 2018, 11:49 am

His sidestep last night was incredible.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby TrapperChamonix » September 24th, 2018, 9:00 am

mildlyinterested wrote:
TrapperChamonix wrote:Is Cian Prendergast not still in school? I had thought he was a 5th year last year?


No 6th year i believe.

Told he was joining UCD.


Not that I ever doubted you, but I saw Prendergast playing for UCD U20 yesterday. He's gotten bigger.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby mildlyinterested » September 24th, 2018, 9:44 am

TrapperChamonix wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:
TrapperChamonix wrote:Is Cian Prendergast not still in school? I had thought he was a 5th year last year?


No 6th year i believe.

Told he was joining UCD.


Not that I ever doubted you, but I saw Prendergast playing for UCD U20 yesterday. He's gotten bigger.


:clap: how'd he get on?

UCD defeated Trinity yesterday, anything to report?
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby mildlyinterested » September 24th, 2018, 9:52 am

Ryan Baird made his Celtic Cup debut with Dowling going off injured.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby CiaranIrl » September 24th, 2018, 10:01 am

Which two second rows do we start when everyone is fit? Do we start Fardy at 6? If so, who do we leave out in the back row?

For me, we have to start Toner & Ryan. Then Fardy at 6, Leavy at 7, and then O'Brien at 8. Ruddock and VDF on the bench. Conan just hasn't had the impact in 2018 that he had in 2017.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby johng » September 24th, 2018, 10:33 am

Fardy at 6 in case of many back row injuries. Otherwise just rotate dev Ryan and him through 4 5 and 19.

Too many back row riches for 3 spots never mind 2

Although you could have periods with all 3 locks on the field depending on tactics.

You could also do mad stuff like what I call 21s.

Have VDF Leavy and SOB playing. (3 x 7s)

The combinations of a back 5 of....

Toner Ryan Fardy Ruddock Leavy Conan VDF O'Brien are mind boggling.

With Deegan and Dorris and Murphy coming through fast
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby CiaranIrl » September 24th, 2018, 10:45 am

johng wrote:Fardy at 6 in case of many back row injuries. Otherwise just rotate dev Ryan and him through 4 5 and 19.

Too many back row riches for 3 spots never mind 2

Although you could have periods with all 3 locks on the field depending on tactics.

You could also do mad stuff like what I call 21s.

Have VDF Leavy and SOB playing. (3 x 7s)

The combinations of a back 5 of....

Toner Ryan Fardy Ruddock Leavy Conan VDF O'Brien are mind boggling.

With Deegan and Dorris and Murphy coming through fast


I suppose I'm looking forward to the European matches though. For the big big games, it's hard to call who is first choice.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby OTT » September 24th, 2018, 11:26 am

Touch wood if everyone is fit I suppose you could go something like Dev, Ryan, Ruddock, Conan and VDF against Wasps with Leavy and SOB on the bench (no second row cover so Ruddock to move in there in emergency )allowing you to have Lowe in the team and RPG (whos importance to the 23 keeps growing) starting/sub.

Then away to Toulouse go Dev, Ryan, Fardy, Conan and Leavy with VDF and SOB on the bench (so Ruddock misses out) with XYZ.

Obviously there is gonna be a big decision about SOB which usually goes in his favour if he is fit, he was absolutely massive away to Exeter last year (as was Rhys) so there is a good chance they will start him in the Toulouse match I reckon but I think we have enough with the other players to bring him back slowly. Then again if he is fit then he is fit.

Then you have Deegan, Murphy and Doris chomping at the bit to be involved.

Some seriously tough selection meetings ahead, it is a great position to be in. Very tough on whoever is left out just like last season when Jordi only saw a couple of minutes of European action till after Christmas and then played such a crucial role in the knockouts. Keeping all the predators at bay will be a hard job over the next few months.
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Re: Leinster's 2nd Row options

Postby neiliog93 » September 24th, 2018, 8:02 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:Which two second rows do we start when everyone is fit? Do we start Fardy at 6? If so, who do we leave out in the back row?

For me, we have to start Toner & Ryan. Then Fardy at 6, Leavy at 7, and then O'Brien at 8. Ruddock and VDF on the bench. Conan just hasn't had the impact in 2018 that he had in 2017.


Have you watched Conan's last two matches? He was good.
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