desperado wrote:thecomedian wrote:MelbourneRebel wrote:I think we collectively need to calm down with the Munster criticisms that lack any credibility. It’s embarrassing and there is enough substance to our rivalry without resorting to the guff we’re reading here
Well said.
Why do some find it so hard to except that for
Joey to keep his international squad place he needed more game time at ten. Leinster haven’t played him enough there (for various reasons) so he has to move to find it. It annoys me but that what Joey has to do. We haven’t given him a run of games at 10 this year, Byrne gets the nod most of the time.
Anyway Joey has his starting place for the first test against the Aussies now.
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Agree fully with MelReb comment. Some ridiculously embarassing anti Munster rubbish. Returning to the subject of the thread though; I'm not sure I'd agree with you. If Joey had stayed; who know's if he wouldn't have gotten game time at 10 in 2018/19. With the ltd game time he got this season he's still starting a test v Oz. I cannot see how anyone would be ahead of him for a bench place (not just squad) in RWC 2019 regardless. I don't think Joey had to do what Joey did. He'd still be there in 2019, and (hopefully) he'll be good enough to start 2023, 2027, and 2031. There are alot of factors to his limited gametime at 10 last season (well documented) that could have been addressed this coming year (at Leinster) which would have been mutually beneficial to JC, Ross, Leinster and Ireland. Joey blinked unfortunately.
Yes agreed this move to another province may have made more sense at the end of next season once Carbery had actually been able to scrap for a 10 place this year at Leinster and got a full run at it. He was so restricted with injury this year gone. Also missing out on the high quality Lancaster driven coaching in Leinster is not ideal as well as playing with Henrose, Kearney etc and learning more from J10. Don't think he'll get anything close in Munster. Yes, the short term narrative of him getting more playing time at 10 for the WC has obviously moved this on.
By the way it's all well and good to dismiss the discussion on here as anti Munster rubbish but there are some serious problems with our southern cousins and if it continues apace, it is going to continue to impact on Leinster and the national team. If your perspective comes from the angle of essentially structuring the provinces as franchisees with us all pulling from a pool of Irish players that's fine and this is all anti-Munster rubbish and it's all irrelevant. If on the other hand you don't want this and believe in keeping the provinces predominately local in terms of player origination then I think we have a significant problem down south. It's not just impacting on us by the way, talk to them up North and they are looking at Munster too - Joey Carbery and Tadhg Beirne and arguably even Mike Haley would have filled gaps up North and it's not clear as day to many as to why Munster's need was greater than Ulster's in these areas.
Carbery moving does potentially have huge issues for Leinster next season if we ship a couple of knocks, it impacts on depth and quality cover in our back-line in a couple of slots. I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at this in depth and discussing bigger issues down south which are impacting on us. Ignore it fine but don't try to dismiss some genuine and well founded concerns by making it out as reactionary anti-Munster rubbish. Yes plenty of the comments were tongue in cheek with some flowery language used but if you can't see the serious problems in Munster I'm surprised, they are as clear as day to many of us and from chats I've had with Munster Fans some are expressing serious concerns too.
Anyway good luck to Carbery and crew v Australia on Saturday and let's hope the James Ryan run can continue.....