Leinster's Halfback Options going forward

[johng]

In 12 months they could well have an out half. An awful lot more likely than unearthing one in the short time before pre season with a wc in 12 months

[ronk]

That's just it. What they need is a can kicking exercise. No one available this side of the wc.

Kicking the can down the road gives them a year to find a player that can mentor the next gen.

Ross Byrne gets a year of trying to be number 2

Joey gets a year of starting at 10 with the promise of returning to Leinster.

Ireland get exposure for back up 10 (hopefully in chumps cup)

Leinster get....... well their player back after wc and a chance to develop the next gen

And what if they really need someone to hold it together for a year for the sake of all the other Irish internationals in Ulster. There are scenarios where damaging an outhalf is an acceptable price for gains elsewhere, but not from the point of view of the outhalf.

[Jonny tight lips]

I saw ROG thinks Munster should go in for Carbery and he had a point, he could just as easily play a big part down there and at least they will be in the champions cup. The more I think about it he more it becomes obvious that a deal was done with Ulster. Don’t kick up a fuss when we get rid of Paddy Jackson and we’ll get you one of the lads from leinster as cover. Why else would the big push be to get him to play only fir Ulster who aren’t qualified for top European rugby next year.

[Jackie Brown]

That's just it. What they need is a can kicking exercise. No one available this side of the wc.

Kicking the can down the road gives them a year to find a player that can mentor the next gen.

Ross Byrne gets a year of trying to be number 2

Joey gets a year of starting at 10 with the promise of returning to Leinster.

Ireland get exposure for back up 10 (hopefully in chumps cup)

Leinster get....... well their player back after wc and a chance to develop the next gen

What they need is an outhalf.

Right now they don't have an outhalf

In 12 months time they won't have an outhalf.

Ulster get nothing out of this.

Exactly, not interested thanks, this is mess of the IRFUs making, they've screwed us enough.

I'd rather we stuck with what we've got and allow them to develop along with the team rather than giving time to a guy who isn't interested in being here.

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[Jackie Brown]

I may join this. It's already double the numbers of the massive feminist protest we had for the Ospreys game.

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[johng]

I have to say that is fairly pathetic.

People were complaining that "feminist protesters" as you call them were protesting about events on a night that none of them were present at.

Now you have people protesting about "bullying" that may well not have taken place at meetings that none of them were at with zero WhatsApp messages leaking out afterwards.

Ffs

[paddyor]

That's just it. What they need is a can kicking exercise. No one available this side of the wc.

Kicking the can down the road gives them a year to find a player that can mentor the next gen.

Ross Byrne gets a year of trying to be number 2

Joey gets a year of starting at 10 with the promise of returning to Leinster.

Ireland get exposure for back up 10 (hopefully in chumps cup)

Leinster get....... well their player back after wc and a chance to develop the next gen

And what if they really need someone to hold it together for a year for the sake of all the other Irish internationals in Ulster. There are scenarios where damaging an outhalf is an acceptable price for gains elsewhere, but not from the point of view of the outhalf.

When Porter switched to TH, Hugo pointed out the risk is all on the player. Schmidt rewarded him on the Summer tour and he pushed on from there. Carbery is already 2nd choice, hard to see what he gets. Especially since Burns doesn't seem to be on Schmidts radar at all

[johng]

Freddy Burns is IQ?

[Raydollard]

Joey started two matches at 10. I would imagine he will benefit from far more than that next season. A move away for Joey was essential.

[riocard911]

I have to say that is fairly pathetic.

People were complaining that "feminist protesters" as you call them were protesting about events on a night that none of them were present at.

Now you have people protesting about "bullying" that may well not have taken place at meetings that none of them were at with zero WhatsApp messages leaking out afterwards.

Ffs

+1. Is it something in the water, or do people just like giving out?

[Jackie Brown]

Joey started two matches at 10. I would imagine he will benefit from far more than that next season. A move away for Joey was essential.

Sounds like he isn't much of a 10 then. McPhilips has more experience, I'd rather stick with him.

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[CiaranIrl]

Joey started two matches at 10. I would imagine he will benefit from far more than that next season. A move away for Joey was essential.

Sounds like he isn't much of a 10 then. McPhilips has more experience, I'd rather stick with him.

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I don't really get why Ulster fans are so resentful of the idea that Carbery wants to play for his home province. Kids from an area grow up wanting to play for their home team. That's normal. Take Chris Farrell for example. He left partly because there happened to be so many excellent centres in Ulster at the time. Great young player when he left, but he knew he would have limited chances. His first choice would have been Ulster. Do you think Grenoble or Munster care? Making out that he's not good enough for you just because he would ideally like to play for his home province is just pointless.

[Jackie Brown]

Joey started two matches at 10. I would imagine he will benefit from far more than that next season. A move away for Joey was essential.

Sounds like he isn't much of a 10 then. McPhilips has more experience, I'd rather stick with him.

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I don't really get why Ulster fans are so resentful of the idea that Carbery wants to play for his home province. Kids from an area grow up wanting to play for their home team. That's normal. Take Chris Farrell for example. He left partly because there happened to be so many excellent centres in Ulster at the time. Great young player when he left, but he knew he would have limited chances. His first choice would have been Ulster. Do you think Grenoble or Munster care? Making out that he's not good enough for you just because he would ideally like to play for his home province is just pointless.

I agree with you. Not interested in him, if I had to have one it would be Byrne because he's the better 10. No interest in a player who, according to reports, will only sign up for 12months then clear off again. What do Ulster gain out of this? He's hardly an experienced outhalf as shown by his limited use by Leinster.

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[artaneboy]

Sounds like he isn't much of a 10 then. McPhilips has more experience, I'd rather stick with him.

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I don't really get why Ulster fans are so resentful of the idea that Carbery wants to play for his home province. Kids from an area grow up wanting to play for their home team. That's normal. Take Chris Farrell for example. He left partly because there happened to be so many excellent centres in Ulster at the time. Great young player when he left, but he knew he would have limited chances. His first choice would have been Ulster. Do you think Grenoble or Munster care? Making out that he's not good enough for you just because he would ideally like to play for his home province is just pointless.

I agree with you. Not interested in him, if I had to have one it would be Byrne because he's the better 10. No interest in a player who, according to reports, will only sign up for 12months then clear off again. What do Ulster gain out of this? He's hardly an experienced outhalf as shown by his limited use by Leinster.

You gain a class international player for a season. That’s on a par with us getting Rocky Elsom and more than we got with Brad Thorne. Both were sort of successful.

McPhlillips is not in his class- and never will be. And despite his supporters here- Ross Byrne doesn’t have Joey’ potential either.

So if you are going to promote a ‘natives first’ policy, fair enough. But don’t pretend Carbery wouldn’t be a huge asset for your team.


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[wixfjord]

Comparing Joey Carbery to Rocky Elsom and Brad Thorne

This thread is taking a serious turn!

[Jackie Brown]

If Joey is a class international player then we've lost a world superstar in PJ. The two of them aren't comparable and I'd rather let one of our 3 gain the experience than be a Leinster development province.

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[desperado]

I have to say that is fairly pathetic.

People were complaining that "feminist protesters" as you call them were protesting about events on a night that none of them were present at.

Now you have people protesting about "bullying" that may well not have taken place at meetings that none of them were at with zero WhatsApp messages leaking out afterwards.

Ffs

+ 1 and a thousand FFS's

[Dave Cahill]

Comparing Joey Carbery to Rocky Elsom and Brad Thorne

This thread is taking a serious turn!

Pretty batshit mental alright

[artaneboy]

Comparing Joey Carbery to Rocky Elsom and Brad Thorne

This thread is taking a serious turn!

Pretty batshit mental alright

Okay- not claiming that Joey is at their level yet- though he has huge potential. So “batshit mental” or not I’m comfortable with the comparison as a ‘franchise maker’ in general terms. Carbery has the capacity to add to what the similarly unheralded Cooney added to Ulster when their much-loved Pinearr was moved on last season.

More to the point, I believe that Schmidt believes he’s that type of a player. If he were a typical back up to the main man, I don’t believe we’d have seen this unprecedented level of intervention by Nucifora and the national coach.


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[Oldschool]

If Joey is a class international player then we've lost a world superstar in PJ. The two of them aren't comparable and I'd rather let one of our 3 gain the experience than be a Leinster development province.

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Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate.
Realise that this cuts both ways but using Joey biases that speculation in Ulster's favour.
BTW most Leinster fan's would prefer to see Ross Byrne move north rather than Joey.
J10 is 33 in July.
Joey is the heir apparent in the majority of people's opinion.
(St. Micheal's past pupils excepted obviously.)