Does Leinster have a lineout problem?

[riocard911]

As is often the case when the lineout malfunctions the hooker is blamed, often incorrectly, but other times correctly.

Leinster has lost 27 lineouts this season through 14 games according to the stats on the leinster website.

Everyone acknowledges that all the senior hookers at leinster have troubles with their darts, some more so than others.

But given Leinster have a 6'10 2nd row, and two coaches who have vast experience in this set piece, it' seems to me that averaging almost two lost lineouts a game is unacceptable and their is a problem with the leinster lineout at potentially all levels.

Anyone have any opinions on where it is going wrong? Why the leinster hookers as a group struggle so much with their darts?
What can be done to fix it?

What's the percentage loss? Losing two lineouts a game when you have six throws is terrible, losing two when you have twenty throws isn't a big problem.

By the same token, if you cough up possession off one or more lineouts close to the halfway line, it's not the end of the world. If you do the same on your or the opposition's five yard line it can be and often is.

[Oldschool]

As is often the case when the lineout malfunctions the hooker is blamed, often incorrectly, but other times correctly.

Leinster has lost 27 lineouts this season through 14 games according to the stats on the leinster website.

Everyone acknowledges that all the senior hookers at leinster have troubles with their darts, some more so than others.

But given Leinster have a 6'10 2nd row, and two coaches who have vast experience in this set piece, it' seems to me that averaging almost two lost lineouts a game is unacceptable and their is a problem with the leinster lineout at potentially all levels.

Anyone have any opinions on where it is going wrong? Why the leinster hookers as a group struggle so much with their darts?
What can be done to fix it?

What's the percentage loss? Losing two lineouts a game when you have six throws is terrible, losing two when you have twenty throws isn't a big problem.

By the same token, if you cough up possession off one or more lineouts close to the halfway line, it's not the end of the world. If you do the same on your or the opposition's five yard line it can be and often is.

Sounds like diversion and hair splitting guys.
One of Munsters' tries came from a seemingly innocuous lineout loss.
No line out loss is innocuous, it can cause a loss of momentum or worse give the opposition momentum.

[neiliog93]

I think the official stats are slightly kind to our line-out, as there are times when we win the ball but it's so scrappy that we can't form an effective maul or launch a backline set-play. Tracy's throwing has been the worst IMO. It's not shambolic or anything but it probably is our main weakness. Might be the one area of Fardy's game as a '5.5' style player that is slightly weak compared to previous second row signings like Hines or Thorn (not all the shite ones).

[leinsterforever]

I think the official stats are slightly kind to our line-out, as there are times when we win the ball but it's so scrappy that we can't form an effective maul or launch a backline set-play. Tracy's throwing has been the worst IMO. It's not shambolic or anything but it probably is our main weakness. Might be the one area of Fardy's game as a '5.5' style player that is slightly weak compared to previous second row signings like Hines or Thorn (not all the shite ones).

I wouldn't have thought Thorn was all that in the lineout, being an ex-league player and all

[Ruckedtobits]

I think the official stats are slightly kind to our line-out, as there are times when we win the ball but it's so scrappy that we can't form an effective maul or launch a backline set-play. Tracy's throwing has been the worst IMO. It's not shambolic or anything but it probably is our main weakness. Might be the one area of Fardy's game as a '5.5' style player that is slightly weak compared to previous second row signings like Hines or Thorn (not all the shite ones).

Brad Thorn was a 2 jumper wheras Hines do could 2 and 4 and was fantasticly flexible in the air with great hands. He won a fair number of opposition ball with Leo or Thorn jumping at 2 to ensure the throw by opposition had to be a lob with less pace.

[cormac]

I think the official stats are slightly kind to our line-out, as there are times when we win the ball but it's so scrappy that we can't form an effective maul or launch a backline set-play. Tracy's throwing has been the worst IMO. It's not shambolic or anything but it probably is our main weakness. Might be the one area of Fardy's game as a '5.5' style player that is slightly weak compared to previous second row signings like Hines or Thorn (not all the shite ones).

Brad Thorn was a 2 jumper wheras Hines do could 2 and 4 and was fantasticly flexible in the air with great hands. He won a fair number of opposition ball with Leo or Thorn jumping at 2 to ensure the throw by opposition had to be a lob with less pace.

Hines and Thorn never played together for Leinster.

[Ruckedtobits]

I think the official stats are slightly kind to our line-out, as there are times when we win the ball but it's so scrappy that we can't form an effective maul or launch a backline set-play. Tracy's throwing has been the worst IMO. It's not shambolic or anything but it probably is our main weakness. Might be the one area of Fardy's game as a '5.5' style player that is slightly weak compared to previous second row signings like Hines or Thorn (not all the shite ones).

Brad Thorn was a 2 jumper wheras Hines do could 2 and 4 and was fantasticly flexible in the air with great hands. He won a fair number of opposition ball with Leo or Thorn jumping at 2 to ensure the throw by opposition had to be a lob with less pace.

Hines and Thorn never played together for Leinster.

I stand corrected. Leo was main man at 2 but occasionally Kev McLoughlin jumped at 2 in attacking opposition ball. When Dev played with Hines, he was more often at No. 4.