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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby joooooe » January 4th, 2018, 11:58 am

suisse wrote:James Lowe is a gifted winger woth incredible offloading skills.


Is that a dig at his accent?! :D
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby R-Dog » January 8th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Just looking at the 2015 Toulon winning team, Does anyone reckon Claremont might have a case if they were to appeal?

Can anyone fill in any blanks and get us down to 2 Non Q/Foreign/What ever you want to call it players

9 Players below from Oz, NZ, Arg and Georgia whom 7 need to be from somewhere else. (only 9 French too, withe an English man, welsh man and 3 SA's thrown in for good measure

FB 15 Wales Leigh Halfpenny
RW 14 Australia Drew Mitchell ?
OC 13 France Mathieu Bastareaud
IC 12 Argentina Juan Martin Hernandez ?
LW 11 South Africa Bryan Habana
FH 10 Australia Matt Giteau ?
SH 9 France Sébastien Tillous-Borde
N8 8 New Zealand Chris Masoe - Born in Samoa
OF 7 England Steffon Armitage
BF 6 South Africa Juan Smith
RL 5 New Zealand Ali Williams - English Parents
LL 4 South Africa Bakkies Botha
TP 3 New Zealand Carl Hayman (c) ?
HK 2 France Guilhem Guirado
LP 1 France Xavier Chiocci
Substitutions:
HK 16 France Jean-Charles Orioli
PR 17 France Alexandre Menini '
PR 18 Georgia (country) Levan Chilachava - Were they counted as EU at this time ? '
LK 19 Argentina Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe ?
FL 20 France Virgile Bruni
CE 21 New Zealand Rudi Wulf ?
SH 22 France Frédéric Michalak
LK 23 France Romain Taofifenua
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby R-Dog » January 8th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Just looking at the 2015 Toulon winning team, Does anyone reckon Claremont might have a case if they were to appeal?

Can anyone fill in any blanks and get us down to 2 Non Q/Foreign/What ever you want to call it players

9 Players below from Oz, NZ, Arg and Georgia whom 7 need to be from somewhere else. (only 9 French too, withe an English man, welsh man and 3 SA's thrown in for good measure

FB 15 Wales Leigh Halfpenny
RW 14 Australia Drew Mitchell ?
OC 13 France Mathieu Bastareaud
IC 12 Argentina Juan Martin Hernandez ?
LW 11 South Africa Bryan Habana
FH 10 Australia Matt Giteau ?
SH 9 France Sébastien Tillous-Borde
N8 8 New Zealand Chris Masoe - Born in Samoa
OF 7 England Steffon Armitage
BF 6 South Africa Juan Smith
RL 5 New Zealand Ali Williams - English Parents
LL 4 South Africa Bakkies Botha
TP 3 New Zealand Carl Hayman (c) ?
HK 2 France Guilhem Guirado
LP 1 France Xavier Chiocci
Substitutions:
HK 16 France Jean-Charles Orioli
PR 17 France Alexandre Menini '
PR 18 Georgia (country) Levan Chilachava - Were they counted as EU at this time ? '
LK 19 Argentina Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe ?
FL 20 France Virgile Bruni
CE 21 New Zealand Rudi Wulf ?
SH 22 France Frédéric Michalak
LK 23 France Romain Taofifenua
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby molloyjh » January 8th, 2018, 1:15 pm

Nationality and eligibility are totally different things. For example Hernandez played in Stade for years before Toulon and was even in Racing for a few years too. So he was eligible through residency. Lobbe and Hayman were in Toulon from 2009 and 2010 respectively so were eligible through residency as well. AFAIK Mitchell and Giteau were the only non-eligible players in that side.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Dexter » January 8th, 2018, 1:32 pm

molloyjh wrote:Nationality and eligibility are totally different things. For example Hernandez played in Stade for years before Toulon and was even in Racing for a few years too. So he was eligible through residency. Lobbe and Hayman were in Toulon from 2009 and 2010 respectively so were eligible through residency as well. AFAIK Mitchell and Giteau were the only non-eligible players in that side.

So technically they were ok. But it makes a farce of the rules when Toulon can field a side like that and a team like Leinster, that is primarily home grown, has to choose to leave someone out.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Dave Cahill » January 8th, 2018, 1:37 pm

Dexter wrote:
molloyjh wrote:Nationality and eligibility are totally different things. For example Hernandez played in Stade for years before Toulon and was even in Racing for a few years too. So he was eligible through residency. Lobbe and Hayman were in Toulon from 2009 and 2010 respectively so were eligible through residency as well. AFAIK Mitchell and Giteau were the only non-eligible players in that side.

So technically they were ok. But it makes a farce of the rules when Toulon can field a side like that and a team like Leinster, that is primarily home grown, has to choose to leave someone out.


Thats the system we chose - we also don't have to pay our players in the main, they do
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Peg Leg » January 8th, 2018, 5:02 pm

Its only a matter of time before we put out a full team costing Leinster Rugby €0 in wages. Bahahahaha

Im trying to think of a witty metaphor for that scenario, but none springs to mind.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 8th, 2018, 6:05 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
Dexter wrote:
molloyjh wrote:Nationality and eligibility are totally different things. For example Hernandez played in Stade for years before Toulon and was even in Racing for a few years too. So he was eligible through residency. Lobbe and Hayman were in Toulon from 2009 and 2010 respectively so were eligible through residency as well. AFAIK Mitchell and Giteau were the only non-eligible players in that side.

So technically they were ok. But it makes a farce of the rules when Toulon can field a side like that and a team like Leinster, that is primarily home grown, has to choose to leave someone out.


Thats the system we chose - we also don't have to pay our players in the main, they do


Very questionably point as we allow the IRFU keep all TV rights money for EPCR and Pro14 to offset the salary cost which the IRFU pay to Contracted players. Note also that what they pay against the Provinces's players hasn't changed since 2008.

Leinster turnover / revenue is close to €15m - without any TV revenue. There's very few Clubs in Europe who have that on gates, sponsorship and merchandise only - even in France.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Oldschool » January 8th, 2018, 6:30 pm

Peg Leg wrote:Its only a matter of time before we put out a full team costing Leinster Rugby €0 in wages. Bahahahaha

Im trying to think of a witty metaphor for that scenario, but none springs to mind.

If that happens, it would simply be an indication of just how successful Leinster Rugby will have been.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby Laighin Break » January 18th, 2018, 9:47 am

Slightly digressing but pretty much on topic - Our 2 NIQs for Pro14 during 6 Nations.
We all probably would have liked to see Lowe getting a few games here but will that happen?
We'll most likely be without our 1st choice scrumhalf, and management hasn't shown much trust in McCarthy to date, so JGP will surely be playing in these games.
We will also likely be without Toner & Ryan in 2nd row, as well as 2 out of VdF/Leavy/Conan/Jordi in the backrow (on top of missing Ruddock, SOB and Heaslip) so can we really not play Fardy...?

We probably have a bit more cover in the back three, although we could be without Kearney/Carbery and maybe Larmour or McFadden for some of the games.
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby leinsterforever » January 19th, 2018, 12:07 am

Laighin Break wrote:Slightly digressing but pretty much on topic - Our 2 NIQs for Pro14 during 6 Nations.
We all probably would have liked to see Lowe getting a few games here but will that happen?
We'll most likely be without our 1st choice scrumhalf, and management hasn't shown much trust in McCarthy to date, so JGP will surely be playing in these games.
We will also likely be without Toner & Ryan in 2nd row, as well as 2 out of VdF/Leavy/Conan/Jordi in the backrow (on top of missing Ruddock, SOB and Heaslip) so can we really not play Fardy...?

We probably have a bit more cover in the back three, although we could be without Kearney/Carbery and maybe Larmour or McFadden for some of the games.


Might be no harm to play Lowe sparingly anyway, considering the amount of rugby he's played over the last year. It would be a good opportunity for Barry Daly
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Re: Our 2 NIQs and 23 for Champions Cup

Postby artaneboy » January 21st, 2018, 11:46 am

After yesterday’s excellent performance from Jamison, and the curates egg from Lowe, I’d say the ‘perm 2 from 3’ selection has probably moved towards Fardy and JGP. For now...

Still have a grá for what James’s brings though. :-)



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