Montpellier v Leinster Sky Sports Sat 13.00

[Oldschool]

Loving the name 'Crazyhorse'


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It’s a Márk Robson (Sky Sports) invention.

But it is a good un.


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Surely you have to be an Exeter player to get a nickname like that.

[Laighin Break]

Loving the name 'Crazyhorse'


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It's also the nickname given to Eoghan O'Gara on the Dublin football team...

[artaneboy]

Loving the name 'Crazyhorse'


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It's also the nickname given to Eoghan O'Gara on the Dublin football team...

Two very different types of player- not withstanding the codes.


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[wixfjord]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

[ronk]

Loving the name 'Crazyhorse'


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I call him Riggs myself - he's a lethal weapon, but crazy

Loweper?

[artaneboy]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.

Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.


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[wixfjord]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.

Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.


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He has been "given more opportunity" partly because he's a better 10 at the moment.

Carbery may possess a higher ceiling for a certain type of game, but I don't know how you could say that he's "performing at a higher level generally" at 10. In fact that's just not true.

[artaneboy]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.

Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.


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He has been "given more opportunity" partly because he's a better 10 at the moment.

Carbery may possess a higher ceiling for a certain type of game, but I don't know how you could say that he's "performing at a higher level generally" at 10. In fact that's just not true.

No? I give you Ireland V Fiji in November.

Ross had largely been given more opportunity by force of circumstance, rather than form. It’s hardly obscure that Joey’s been injured a bit and when he’s not, has had to cover full back.


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[Peg Leg]

Watched the game on a crappy stream and missed most of the first half. Apart from a 5 mins spell around the 68th minute mark, Leinster we're in total control of the second period. It was glorious to watch. We kept them scoreless and probably would have notched a fourth try if it wasn't for a bit of box kicking experimentation.

Toner was largely excellent. He gets through so much work with and without the ball. An incredibly reliable performer. Cronin was outstanding. He looks like he's really enjoying his rugby. Maybe some contractual stuff has cleared up. Hopefully the long wait for the quarters doesn't allow our rivals to catch up. Pity we don't play next week.

Yeah +1 on Toner. I'd also credit him with the serious driving Maul after Ryan took the line out and directed the maul. Toners body position, drive amd the sheer length of his back made that move so difficult for Mont to handle. One we should return to more often.

[Oldschool]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

He has for Ireland tho'
But you have a point.

[Oldschool]

Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.

He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.

Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.


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He has been "given more opportunity" partly because he's a better 10 at the moment.

Carbery may possess a higher ceiling for a certain type of game, but I don't know how you could say that he's "performing at a higher level generally" at 10. In fact that's just not true.

Look at it this wsy Carberry is a game changer.
Which is a very useful thing coming off the bench.

[wixfjord]

No? I give you Ireland V Fiji in November.

Ross had largely been given more opportunity by force of circumstance, rather than form. It’s hardly obscure that Joey’s been injured a bit and when he’s not, has had to cover full back.


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I said "Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level."

Last time I checked, Leinster isn't Ireland.

Also playing Fiji in a very open Autumn International game is not the same level as a Euro game against a top French side away.

I'll say it again. Byrne has been in excellent form and has led us to wins from 10 that Joey hasn't yet. Exeter, Munster and Mont.

The unwillingness to see this is bizarre. It's not a slight on Carbery, it's a huge positive for Byrne. He controlled the game very well today.

[Logorrhea]

I'll say it again. Byrne has been in excellent form and has led us to wins from 10 that Joey hasn't yet. Exeter, Munster and Mont.
The unwillingness to see this is bizarre. It's not a slight on Carbery, it's a huge positive for Byrne. He controlled the game very well today.

+1

[domhnallj]

Watched the game on a crappy stream and missed most of the first half. Apart from a 5 mins spell around the 68th minute mark, Leinster we're in total control of the second period. It was glorious to watch. We kept them scoreless and probably would have notched a fourth try if it wasn't for a bit of box kicking experimentation.

Toner was largely excellent. He gets through so much work with and without the ball. An incredibly reliable performer. Cronin was outstanding. He looks like he's really enjoying his rugby. Maybe some contractual stuff has cleared up. Hopefully the long wait for the quarters doesn't allow our rivals to catch up. Pity we don't play next week.

Yeah +1 on Toner. I'd also credit him with the serious driving Maul after Ryan took the line out and directed the maul. Toners body position, drive amd the sheer length of his back made that move so difficult for Mont to handle. One we should return to more often.

He also nicked a line out on our five metre line, and took the wind right out of them. All in all an excellent days work.

[Dexter]

I got the sense, on here, that nobody was too concerned with Byrne starting at 10, for an away game in France, against a powerful table topping team with Cruden at 10, with Jonny being left at home. Surely that's an indication that he's very well regarded by posters here.

[fourthirtythree]

Obligatory Osmonds video:

[Oldschool]

No? I give you Ireland V Fiji in November.

Ross had largely been given more opportunity by force of circumstance, rather than form. It’s hardly obscure that Joey’s been injured a bit and when he’s not, has had to cover full back.


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I said "Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level."

Last time I checked, Leinster isn't Ireland.

Also playing Fiji in a very open Autumn International game is not the same level as a Euro game against a top French side away.

I'll say it again. Byrne has been in excellent form and has led us to wins from 10 that Joey hasn't yet. Exeter, Munster and Mont.

The unwillingness to see this is bizarre. It's not a slight on Carbery, it's a huge positive for Byrne. He controlled the game very well today.

I've been waiting for a chance to disagree with you.

[artaneboy]

No? I give you Ireland V Fiji in November.

Ross had largely been given more opportunity by force of circumstance, rather than form. It’s hardly obscure that Joey’s been injured a bit and when he’s not, has had to cover full back.


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I said "Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level."

Last time I checked, Leinster isn't Ireland.

Also playing Fiji in a very open Autumn International game is not the same level as a Euro game against a top French side away.

I'll say it again. Byrne has been in excellent form and has led us to wins from 10 that Joey hasn't yet. Exeter, Munster and Mont.

The unwillingness to see this is bizarre. It's not a slight on Carbery, it's a huge positive for Byrne. He controlled the game very well today.

Ease up there a bit Man. There’s no “unwillingness” on my part to credit Byrne’s performance today. Read back, if you doubt that. What I am arguing is that there’s any evidence that Ross is better at OH than Joey.

You are implicitly extrapolating from the circumstantial facts (injuries and his need to cover elsewhere) that Joey hasn’t been given many chances at OH relative to Ross means that the latter is better 10 material. Joey had served us very well this season wherever he’s been asked to play. He’s showed us he can play in several positions; 10 is one of them. Ross has had good days- and less good days in the position this season; as had Joey last year. That’s okay: they’re both learning.

By the way, claiming that an international match- any international, but notably a high profile AI is not a test of an ability to play in a position, compared to a club fixture is.... well- not convincing.


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[wixfjord]

Ease up there a bit Man. There’s no “unwillingness” on my part to credit Byrne’s performance today. Read back, if you doubt that. What I am arguing is that there’s any evidence that Ross is better at OH than Joey.

You are implicitly extrapolating from the circumstantial facts (injuries and his need to cover elsewhere) that Joey hasn’t been given many chances at OH relative to Ross means that the latter is better 10 material. Joey had served us very well this season wherever he’s been asked to play. He’s showed us he can play in several positions; 10 is one of them. Ross has had good days- and less good days in the position this season; as had Joey last year. That’s okay: they’re both learning.

By the way, claiming that an international match- any international, but notably a high profile AI is not a test of an ability to play in a position, compared to a club fixture is.... well- not convincing.


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No, I'm 'explicitly' not. I'm 'extrapolating' from how both have played at 10 for Leinster. The evidence is that Byrne has played better at 10. That's clear.

When has Carbery had a better game at 10 for Leinster?

Playing Fiji at home is not the same as a top Euro game or a game in Thomond.

[artaneboy]

Ease up there a bit Man. There’s no “unwillingness” on my part to credit Byrne’s performance today. Read back, if you doubt that. What I am arguing is that there’s any evidence that Ross is better at OH than Joey.

You are implicitly extrapolating from the circumstantial facts (injuries and his need to cover elsewhere) that Joey hasn’t been given many chances at OH relative to Ross means that the latter is better 10 material. Joey had served us very well this season wherever he’s been asked to play. He’s showed us he can play in several positions; 10 is one of them. Ross has had good days- and less good days in the position this season; as had Joey last year. That’s okay: they’re both learning.

By the way, claiming that an international match- any international, but notably a high profile AI is not a test of an ability to play in a position, compared to a club fixture is.... well- not convincing.


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No, I'm 'explicitly' not. I'm 'extrapolating' from how both have played at 10 for Leinster. The evidence is that Byrne has played better at 10. That's clear.

When has Carbery had a better game at 10 for Leinster?

Playing Fiji at home is not the same as a top Euro game or a game in Thomond.

You say- “The evidence is that Byrne has played better at 10.” I say- The evidence is also there that he’s played worse at 10. Ross had just played there more often than Joey.

Joey will play a lot at 10 for province and country in the future.

But that’s just my view. Maybe you’re right. You certainly are more convinced you are.


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