artaneboy wrote:
You say- “The evidence is that Byrne has played better at 10.” I say- The evidence is also there that he’s played worse at 10. Ross had just played there more often than Joey.
Joey will play a lot at 10 for province and country in the future.
But that’s just my view. Maybe you’re right. You certainly are more convinced you are.
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Haha so a player having played badly in the past means he's a worse 10 now?!
You said there's no evidence that Byrne is a better 10 than Carbery.
That's incorrect. There's plenty of that.
Carbery may have more 'potential', but at the moment, it's just that, potential. Byrne has shown he can handle the hot stuff at the top end and pull us through big games.
artaneboy wrote:
You say- “The evidence is that Byrne has played better at 10.” I say- The evidence is also there that he’s played worse at 10. Ross had just played there more often than Joey.
Joey will play a lot at 10 for province and country in the future.
But that’s just my view. Maybe you’re right. You certainly are more convinced you are.
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Haha so a player having played badly in the past means he's a worse 10 now?!
You said there's no evidence that Byrne is a better 10 than Carbery.
That's incorrect. There's plenty of that.
Today. for one.
Sure. We’ll see then.
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wixfjord wrote:Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.
He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.
Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.
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Wtaf?
Ceiling yea, get that but the rest??
Its like the Nordie thing, its a farce to be losing a player at his peak in favour of holding onto potential. Joey needs a few games at OH in order to validate your judgement that ".....Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally"
Oldschool wrote:
Look at it this wsy Carberry is a game changer.
Which is a very useful thing coming off the bench.
Madser was a game changer but sometimes you need more Wilkinson and less Spencer. Great having both in Byrne & Karrburey and having a Spenkinson in J10.
suisse wrote:Watched the game on a crappy stream and missed most of the first half. Apart from a 5 mins spell around the 68th minute mark, Leinster we're in total control of the second period. It was glorious to watch. We kept them scoreless and probably would have notched a fourth try if it wasn't for a bit of box kicking experimentation.
Toner was largely excellent. He gets through so much work with and without the ball. An incredibly reliable performer. Cronin was outstanding. He looks like he's really enjoying his rugby. Maybe some contractual stuff has cleared up. Hopefully the long wait for the quarters doesn't allow our rivals to catch up. Pity we don't play next week.
Yeah +1 on Toner. I'd also credit him with the serious driving Maul after Ryan took the line out and directed the maul. Toners body position, drive amd the sheer length of his back made that move so difficult for Mont to handle. One we should return to more often.
He also nicked a line out on our five metre line, and took the wind right out of them. All in all an excellent days work.
Strikes me that the coaching team decided that the only way to defend the 5m maul was to attack their lineout ball. It seemed ridiculous to try again, right up until he got his hand to the ball.
He'd fit right in at the borg in London
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Oldschool wrote:
Look at it this wsy Carberry is a game changer.
Which is a very useful thing coming off the bench.
Madser was a game changer but sometimes you need more Wilkinson and less Spencer. Great having both in Byrne & Karrburey and having a Spenkinson in J10.
Carberry is more.
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.
C’mon lads... seems to be a lot of negativity on this site right now...
I know we’ve won nothing yet... but let’s celebrate a super group campaign this year... our best ever I think ??... so entire squad and coaching teams... take a bow
alanair wrote:C’mon lads... seems to be a lot of negativity on this site right now...
I know we’ve won nothing yet... but let’s celebrate a super group campaign this year... our best ever I think ??... so entire squad and coaching teams... take a bow
wixfjord wrote:Agree on Ross Byrne, he was very good today. He must be mighty pissed off with the column inches and general adulation Carbery gets. Carbery has never put in a performance at 10 for us like that at this level.
He certainly been given more opportunity than Carberry at out half.
Ross played very well today, but I wouldn’t eulogise his performances either over Joey. To my judgement Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally- and possesses a higher ceiling at out half than does Byrne.
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Wtaf?
Ceiling yea, get that but the rest??
Its like the Nordie thing, its a farce to be losing a player at his peak in favour of holding onto potential. Joey needs a few games at OH in order to validate your judgement that ".....Carbery is still both performing at a higher level generally"
Yeah- you’re probably right in terms of Leinster. I suppose it would be more accurate to say- the last time he was selected to play OH, he played at a higher level than Ross.
But I really don’t want to take from Ross, his game today- or his potential. I just think Joey is a better 10, and has displayed more potential. Not worth a row really...
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alanair wrote:C’mon lads... seems to be a lot of negativity on this site right now...
I know we’ve won nothing yet... but let’s celebrate a super group campaign this year... our best ever I think ??... so entire squad and coaching teams... take a bow
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.
alanair wrote:C’mon lads... seems to be a lot of negativity on this site right now...
I know we’ve won nothing yet... but let’s celebrate a super group campaign this year... our best ever I think ??... so entire squad and coaching teams... take a bow
+1. Let's just chill and bask in the general brilliance of Leinster, the team all in European club rugby are currently in awe of! We worry about outhalf selection another day.....
What a problem to have though. We're rgueing over which of our back up out halves is second best and which of them is third best. Not one of us would have another out half in the country over either of them though. What a time to be a Leinster fan! Great day all around.
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To be even more positive, Toner’s performance today was rightly praised, and his second row partner Ryan also showed really well. This match without Fardy was a crucial test of his development: he passed with honours.
Really incredible to think that Sean O’Brien, Garry Ringrose, Jamie Heaslip and Johnny Sexton were missing from a squad which went France and won over the T14 leaders. If you said that was possible last year, you could have called your odds.
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