mildlyinterested wrote:
not advocating bringing in a ringer... just stating that all the remaining centre options with european experience lack a certain something at the top level, especially those outside Nacewa/Ringrose.
need to wrap Nacewa in cotton wool until Saracens.
You think Nacewa and Ringrose lack something at the top level?
yes, power.
but a centre pairing of the two may be able to overcome that.
but it is undeniable that a centre pairing of Nacewa/Ringrose lacks power by elite rugby standards.
Picking Heaslip for the Saracens match off the back of one game would be even dafter than the time Declan Kidney picked Keith Gleeson ahead of Shane Jennings for the 2005 quarter-final.
cormac wrote:Picking Heaslip for the Saracens match off the back of one game would be even dafter than the time Declan Kidney picked Keith Gleeson ahead of Shane Jennings for the 2005 quarter-final.
mildlyinterested wrote:
not advocating bringing in a ringer... just stating that all the remaining centre options with european experience lack a certain something at the top level, especially those outside Nacewa/Ringrose.
need to wrap Nacewa in cotton wool until Saracens.
You think Nacewa and Ringrose lack something at the top level?
yes, power.
but a centre pairing of the two may be able to overcome that.
but it is undeniable that a centre pairing of Nacewa/Ringrose lacks power by elite rugby standards.
Oh it's very deniable.
For my own sanity I'm going to leave that one there I think.
For my own sanity I'm going to leave that one there I think.
which one is a power centre? 90kg Nacewa or 94kg Ringrose?
Both have great qualities but neither are powerful by elite standards and as a partnership they lack power at that level.
Which of 91kg Darcy and 93kg O'Driscoll was our power centre again? Weight is a total nonsense metric to measure "power" by.
When was the last time you saw Nacewa overpowered in a tackle?
Leinster didn't have a power centre at the time when it was Darcy/BOD.
Are you claiming Nacewa is a powerful centre? [/quote]
Are we talking attack or defence?
He is most certainly powerful in defence and his footwork and passing skills negate the need for power in attack. Having said that he rarely gets caught behind the gain line so has more than sufficient power.
Ah, come on lads. He's hardly Jamie Roberts or Basteraud now, is he?
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CiaranIrl wrote:Ah, come on lads. He's hardly Jamie Roberts or Basteraud now, is he?
No, hes good at Rugby
Correct. He's far better than either of them. He's still not a power centre. I don't really know what that means, but I know he's now one of them.
“As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.”
Big isn't powerful in and of itself, big isn't strong in and of itself, big isn't quick in and of itself, big is simply big. There are big powerful centres and small powerful centres. Neither Roberts nor Basteraud, to continue the example, could generate the kind of power Gordon D'Arcy did. Indeed neither are particularly powerful - in reality, given their size they're probably underpowered in comparison to a BOD, Nacewa or a Darce. What they can do is generate momentum given enough time and space to get up a head of steam, which is why they've often been overwhelmed by guys who are good at rugby.
Dave Cahill wrote:Big isn't powerful in and of itself, big isn't strong in and of itself, big isn't quick in and of itself, big is simply big. There are big powerful centres and small powerful centres. Neither Roberts nor Basteraud, to continue the example, could generate the kind of power Gordon D'Arcy did. Indeed neither are particularly powerful - in reality, given their size they're probably underpowered in comparison to a BOD, Nacewa or a Darce. What they can do is generate momentum given enough time and space to get up a head of steam, which is why they've often been overwhelmed by guys who are good at rugby.
I agree with your general point but I think Bastareaud is exceptionally powerful, even for his weight. There are a lot of 120 kg guys playing rugby, and none of them generate the kind of force he does.
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cormac wrote:Picking Heaslip for the Saracens match off the back of one game would be even dafter than the time Declan Kidney picked Keith Gleeson ahead of Shane Jennings for the 2005 quarter-final.
cormac wrote:Picking Heaslip for the Saracens match off the back of one game would be even dafter than the time Declan Kidney picked Keith Gleeson ahead of Shane Jennings for the 2005 quarter-final.
what have i missed - is JH back training?
Was reported in the Indo this week that he's aiming to be fit to play in the Ospreys match.
