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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby cormac » December 17th, 2018, 7:51 pm

Semi-final draw is

1 or 8 v 4 or 5
2 or 7 v 3 or 6
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Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Serb » December 17th, 2018, 9:18 pm

cormac wrote:Semi-final draw is

1 or 8 v 4 or 5
2 or 7 v 3 or 6


Not true anymore. Highest seeds from the group stage get the home semi.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby leinsterforever » December 17th, 2018, 10:19 pm

cormac wrote:Semi-final draw is

1 or 8 v 4 or 5
2 or 7 v 3 or 6


Hmmm, so if we finish as third seeds rather than second seeds, we're relying on team 7 to beat team 2 to get a home semi
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby johng » December 17th, 2018, 10:26 pm

A slim chance is better than no chance which is what you would have had in 3rd or 4th spot last year.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby cormac » December 17th, 2018, 10:59 pm

Serb wrote:
cormac wrote:Semi-final draw is

1 or 8 v 4 or 5
2 or 7 v 3 or 6


Not true anymore. Highest seeds from the group stage get the home semi.


I was responding to Riocard who thought the draw was very different, not showing which teams gets home country advantage
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby riocard911 » December 17th, 2018, 11:34 pm

Gotcha, Cormac. GRMA! So Hendy missing out does hurt us, cos we would prefer Ulster to beat Racing, which could help us get 2nd place at the end of the pools guaranteeing us a home semi, assuming we win our quarter final. Alles klar!!!
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby paddyor » December 18th, 2018, 2:50 am

Serb wrote:
cormac wrote:Semi-final draw is

1 or 8 v 4 or 5
2 or 7 v 3 or 6


Not true anymore. Highest seeds from the group stage get the home semi.

So
1, 4 or 5 v 4, 5 or 8
2, 3 or 6 v 3, 6 or 7
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Degz » December 18th, 2018, 8:52 am

Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » December 18th, 2018, 9:41 am

Degz wrote:Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.



At this point, I still think Cockers will find a way through with Edinburgh, at the expense of Montpelier. Otherwise, broadly agree with your assessment.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Oldschool » December 18th, 2018, 9:44 am

Degz wrote:Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.

Can't see Munster finishing 4th seeds.
Edinburgh more likely than Montpellier.
Ulster and Montpellier likely to be fighting it out for the last Q/F spot.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Degz » December 18th, 2018, 10:11 am

I think Embra will lose in Toulon and then home to Mont.

Ulster to win at Tiggers to sneak in as last runner up.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Oldschool » December 18th, 2018, 10:58 am

Degz wrote:I think Embra will lose in Toulon and then home to Mont.

Ulster to win at Tiggers to sneak in as last runner up.

Well what I would agree is the the results of the Toulon v Edinburgh and Leicester v Ulster games will likely decide their respective futures.
I also think both Edinburgh and Ulster are good enough to get something from their games against Montpellier and Racing especially if fat is in the fire.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Hornet » December 18th, 2018, 1:48 pm

Degz wrote:Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.


Sarries have played at Wembley (including against us), a few times.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby wixfjord » December 18th, 2018, 2:21 pm

Hornet wrote:
Degz wrote:Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.


Sarries have played at Wembley (including against us), a few times.


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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Degz » December 18th, 2018, 2:26 pm

wixfjord wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Degz wrote:Loads of variables, but at this stage I’d say something like the following;

Racing v Ulster
Sarries v Glasgow
Leinster v Toulouse
Munster v Montpelier

Which would have us in England playing Sarries, in any semi we reached.

Twickenham probably, which wouldn’t exactly be intimidating, probably 50/50 support.


Sarries have played at Wembley (including against us), a few times.


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He was positively f%~king brilliant compared to 'stand up, for the Saracens'. Nightmare stuff. Although those last defensive phases were the stuff of legend.

From a quick search, Sarries have only ever moved group games to Wembley; their latest knock out (home) game was actually at the Not Nots old ground. Again, not exactly an intimidating venue.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby cormac » December 18th, 2018, 2:28 pm

Sarries haven't played ko games at big grounds for a few years now. All their home quarter-finals have been played at their home ground, while their last home semi-final was played at Reading (2016).
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby The Doc » December 18th, 2018, 4:04 pm

cormac wrote:Sarries haven't played ko games at big grounds for a few years now. All their home quarter-finals have been played at their home ground, while their last home semi-final was played at Reading (2016).


Yeah there's a reason for that - they would like not to be outnumbered by away fans - or have a half empty large stadium (what year was it that there was a half empty Twickers or Wembley for a semi final)
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby Cianostays » December 18th, 2018, 4:12 pm

It was against Toulon I believe. 2013.
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby desperado » December 19th, 2018, 12:40 am

cormac wrote:Sarries haven't played ko games at big grounds for a few years now. All their home quarter-finals have been played at their home ground, while their last home semi-final was played at Reading (2016).


and there was less than 17k at that semi
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Re: Draw for H Cup / Champions Cup 2019

Postby rooster » December 19th, 2018, 1:54 am

The Doc wrote:
cormac wrote:Sarries haven't played ko games at big grounds for a few years now. All their home quarter-finals have been played at their home ground, while their last home semi-final was played at Reading (2016).


Yeah there's a reason for that - they would like not to be outnumbered by away fans - or have a half empty large stadium (what year was it that there was a half empty Twickers or Wembley for a semi final)
Ulster played them in a quarter final in Twickenham in 2013, their fans complained that it was too hard to get to and we outnumbered them on the day, horrible experience with their disco playing through the stadium speakers continually.
They claimed 37,888 to get a record crowd for a quarter final but they gave away thousands of tickets and I seriously doubt if there was 20k at match, backfired on them though as they had to pay Ulster their share of 37,888 tickets at the ERC price
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