Joe Tomane

[outcast eddie]

Indeed, and it's something we miss badly when Reid/ROL are our 12/13. If nothing else, Tomane will be a huge benefit in Pro14 games next season.

Maybe the answer is to play ROL at 12 only and let him develop. At least that would be solving one problem.

There's currently no IRFU block on signing an NIQ player for centre -inside or outside - if Leinster are certain there are no other selection implications. Losing SO'B and JVdF at the same time is why we were 'facilitated' to play Fardy out of his nominated position in knock-out games.

Word is that enquires were made of Nathan Hines re Tomane's personality and outlook and his report was very positive. We will enjoy Joe.

This. A players ability to fit in with the squad is frequently overlooked. One contrary personality can fracture a team that has achieved an elusive shared mindset (what I call the Cipriani factor) which the coaches have worked hard to create. Recruitment to teams who have reached this point is a delicate matter particularly when it is to replace someone like Isa who has been a source of the high standards within the group.

[ronk]

Strikes me now that we may be in more need, in the short-term at least, of a 10-12 style player rather than a centre/winger type.

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

[cormac]

Strikes me now that we may be in more need, in the short-term at least, of a 10-12 style player rather than a centre/winger type.

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

IIRC Te'o doubled his salary by moving to Worcester. Not sure he was worth keeping THAT much. Personally think that Henshaw is a better player.

[domhnallj]

I thought Teo went because he had a burning desire to play for England and a love of mediocre EP rugby teams with deep deep pockets. In any case if he'd stayed we wouldn't have Henshaw now. I know who I prefer of the two.

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[ronk]

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

IIRC Te'o doubled his salary by moving to Worcester. Not sure he was worth keeping THAT much. Personally think that Henshaw is a better player.

Don’t think I’d heard that bit. Would have liked them both but would have made the same choice as you if I could only have one.

Te’o was probably due a pay rise for renewal, double maybe much.

[hugonaut]

Strikes me now that we may be in more need, in the short-term at least, of a 10-12 style player rather than a centre/winger type.

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

Te'o was very straightforward about his decision to depart. Money. Worcester offered him a fortune to play for them [source: https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 09714.html ] - around £366k p.a. for a three year deal.

Secondly, he was qualified to play for England through his mother; the only thing that stopped him being selected for England was playing his club rugby in Ireland. As soon as he had notified Jones that he had signed for Worcester, he was selected for the English touring squad that summer.

Why is that important? Because the English players get around £22k per match for playing for England [source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -pay-deal/ ]. So being in all the matchday squads can bump a salary up by £242k.

Te'o wouldn't have been Irish-qualified under residency for another year. His salary with Leinster wouldn't have been as high as it was with Worcester, and the IRFU's test match fee is nowhere near as high as England's is. He also would have missed out on England's 6 Nations win bonus in 2017 [source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... uccessive/ ] which was worth £26k. And it was on the back of England's success in that tournament that he got selected for the Lions tour, earning a big tour fee [estimated at €70k by Thornley in the IT: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... -1.3052720 ]

So all told, in 2017 Teo's rugby earnings amounted to £366k [his Worcester salary] + £176k [8no. English test match fees] + £26k [6 Nations win bonus] + £61k [Lions tour fee] = £629k/€720k

He's a professional rugby player and he has been candid about playing for money. He made the right call to move, because I doubt he'd be earning half what he earned in England if he stayed in Ireland. He's not a regular for England, he plays for an entirely uncompetitive club, yet he's an absolutely massive earner. Well done that man.

[ronk]

That’s pretty good alright. Do they get anything for being named in the Elite squad.

[Oldschool]

Strikes me now that we may be in more need, in the short-term at least, of a 10-12 style player rather than a centre/winger type.

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

Aki and RingShaw are all superior players to Ben.
Te'o is and was overrated, the only rider would be that Joe and now Burt might manage to upgrade him.
Tomane would be a serious upgrade on him.

[ronk]

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

Aki and RingShaw are all superior players to Ben.
Te'o is and was overrated, the only rider would be that Joe and now Burt might manage to upgrade him.
Tomane would be a serious upgrade on him.

Hope so.

[leinsterforever]

Te'o was a square peg anyway. He'd have either been blocking Ringrose or playing second fiddle to him at 13, and he didn't have the handling or understanding of running lines to play 12 well

[Flash Gordon]

I think Frawley is very capable of playing that role, with Jimmy O'Brien somewhat capable if totally unproven. Both have played Nos 10 & 12 throughout their underage careers. Conor O'Brien has played a pretty fair amount at No10 in the past as well, but I don't think that he's a realistic No10 at professional level.

To my mind, a player who combines Tomane's attributes - experienced, hard-hitting, explosive, sizeable - is a young outhalf's best friend. You can just lay the ball off to him, watch him get over the gainline and then start again with more pace on the ball. He'll also discourage opponents thinking there's easy yards to be made in the channel between No10 and No12. Ben Teo won Leinster Players' Player of the Year in 2015-16 doing exactly that role - it's not like it's beneath us. It allows you to play either Frawley or Ross Byrne much more comfortably at No10 than if they were beside the underpowered Noel Reid or the underexperienced Tom Daly or Conor O'Brien.

Montpellier have him down as 190cm and 115kg [source: http://www.montpellier-rugby.com/joueur/tomane ] while his Wiki entry has him at 188cm and 102kg [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tomane ] - it'd be fair enough to say he's somewhere between the two, i.e. 189cm and 109kg. That's a big strong dude.

Te’o, another guy who the IRFU failed to keep. If he’d been extended it would have made a big difference for Leinster and Ireland could be celebrating Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Te’o as depth in midfield.

Te'o was very straightforward about his decision to depart. Money. Worcester offered him a fortune to play for them [source: https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 09714.html ] - around £366k p.a. for a three year deal.

Secondly, he was qualified to play for England through his mother; the only thing that stopped him being selected for England was playing his club rugby in Ireland. As soon as he had notified Jones that he had signed for Worcester, he was selected for the English touring squad that summer.

Why is that important? Because the English players get around £22k per match for playing for England [source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -pay-deal/ ]. So being in all the matchday squads can bump a salary up by £242k.

Te'o wouldn't have been Irish-qualified under residency for another year. His salary with Leinster wouldn't have been as high as it was with Worcester, and the IRFU's test match fee is nowhere near as high as England's is. He also would have missed out on England's 6 Nations win bonus in 2017 [source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... uccessive/ ] which was worth £26k. And it was on the back of England's success in that tournament that he got selected for the Lions tour, earning a big tour fee [estimated at €70k by Thornley in the IT: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... -1.3052720 ]

So all told, in 2017 Teo's rugby earnings amounted to £366k [his Worcester salary] + £176k [8no. English test match fees] + £26k [6 Nations win bonus] + £61k [Lions tour fee] = £629k/€720k

He's a professional rugby player and he has been candid about playing for money. He made the right call to move, because I doubt he'd be earning half what he earned in England if he stayed in Ireland. He's not a regular for England, he plays for an entirely uncompetitive club, yet he's an absolutely massive earner. Well done that man.

And of course he'd now have a European cup medal, a pro 14 medal and potentially a 6 nations medal. Instead he's got a "congratulations on just avoiding relegation" certificate......

[ronk]

He’s a rich Lion with a solid international career.

[riocard911]

He’s a rich Lion with a solid international career.

And a Grand Slam winner with England 2016/2017.

[cormac]

He’s a rich Lion with a solid international career.

And a Grand Slam winner with England 2016/2017.

England didn't win the grand slam in 2017.

[riocard911]

He’s a rich Lion with a solid international career.

And a Grand Slam winner with England 2016/2017.

England didn't win the grand slam in 2017.

Correct! I forgot our denying them at the death. Six Nations Winners medal for Ben so.

[artaneboy]

And a Grand Slam winner with England 2016/2017.

England didn't win the grand slam in 2017.

Correct! I forgot our denying them at the death. Six Nations Winners medal for Ben so.

How f#*king could you forget that!!!



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[ronk]

Years can get mixed up

[paddyor]

13-29 in the T14 final, he won't be coming her ewith a medal

[cormac]

Came on in the 67th minute. Touched the ball once.

[BlueBlue]

He’s a rich Lion with a solid international career.

And a Grand Slam winner with England 2016/2017.

England didn't win the grand slam in 2017.

I wonder why