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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby cormac » November 5th, 2018, 12:44 pm

Cheers for the info. Conor O'Brien started rather than benching though.

Any news on when Tommy O'Brien is expecting to return from injury?
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 5th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Ireland U18 Clubs side that beat Italy 31-12, tries from Zack Kavanagh, Jamie Osborne, Eoin de Buitléar, Josh O'Connor and Dylan Murphy.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 5th, 2018, 12:47 pm

cormac wrote:Cheers for the info. Conor O'Brien started rather than benching though.

Any news on when Tommy O'Brien is expecting to return from injury?


right you are, no haven't heard anything.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 6th, 2018, 3:19 pm

Leinster players in Ireland u18 schools camp over Halloween mid term & club players in Ireland u18 squad:

Jack Boyle(St Michaels/Prop)(u17) - 5th year
Sam Illo(Wesley/Prop) - 6th
Levi Vaughan(Terenure/Prop-Hooker) - 6th
Lee Barron(St Michaels/Hooker) - 5th
Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Lock) - 6th
Jonathan Fish(St. Michaels/Lock) - 6th
Will Hickey(St Michaels/Backrow) - 5th
Aaron Coleman(Bevledere/Backrow) - 6th
Jack Guinane(St. Michaels/Backrow) - 5th
Jack Barry(Gonzaga/Backrow) - 6th
Mark Boyle(Gorey/Backrow)
Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Scrumhalf) - 6th
Simon O'Kelly(St Michaels/Centre) - 5th
Chris Cosgrave(St Michaels/Centre) - 5th
Karl Martin(Boyne/Centre)(u17) - 5th
Josh Pyper(Pres Bray/Wing) - 5th
Josh O'Connor(Wexford/Wing)
Jamie Osborne(Naas/Fullback)
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby Lar » November 6th, 2018, 3:28 pm

Not one from Blackrock...
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 6th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Lar wrote:Not one from Blackrock...


not that surprising given how few were in leinster schools squad.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby Lar » November 6th, 2018, 3:31 pm

More a comment on changing times than this specific squad. I am sure these things are cyclical anyway.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 6th, 2018, 3:58 pm

Lar wrote:More a comment on changing times than this specific squad. I am sure these things are cyclical anyway.


Blackrock players often emerge later for whatever reason.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 7th, 2018, 8:58 am

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /42856.php

2 tries for Josh O'Connor(14) and a try for Jamie Osborne(15)

Cooke used the advantage to left foot an inviting cross-field kick out to the right wing. O'Connor collected it on the Italian 10-metre line and outpaced the covering defender to run in a well-taken eighth-minute try, crisply converted by Cooke.


That score arrived in the 24th minute when Naas full-back Osborne threw a dummy, ghosted through a gap and flew past an attempted tackle to run in from 40 metres out. Cooke, who provided the assist, also converted to restore the seven-point gap.


Italy were caught narrow in defence and Hession and Osborne linked up to feed O'Connor who used a strong hand-off to finish expertly from 35 metres out.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby neiliog93 » November 8th, 2018, 12:07 am

mildlyinterested wrote:
Lar wrote:More a comment on changing times than this specific squad. I am sure these things are cyclical anyway.


Blackrock players often emerge later for whatever reason.


Ireland underage players in Blackrock are not allowed to attend a lot of the training camps for academic reasons (after one year quite a few of them did very poorly in the Leaving Cert), so that doesn't help.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 8th, 2018, 8:20 am

neiliog93 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:
Lar wrote:More a comment on changing times than this specific squad. I am sure these things are cyclical anyway.


Blackrock players often emerge later for whatever reason.


Ireland underage players in Blackrock are not allowed to attend a lot of the training camps for academic reasons (after one year quite a few of them did very poorly in the Leaving Cert), so that doesn't help.


not sure that's the reason.. more that it's rare for them to have a starter on their SCT side that isn't a 6th year, so players take longer to emerge.

This year they had the following involved with Leinster to various degrees, from last years SCT winning side:

Donnacha Mescal(Leinster u20/Prop)
Thomas Clarkson(Leinster u19/Prop)
Cian Duffy(Leinster u19/Prop)
Hugo O’Malley(Leinster u18/Prop)

Sean Molony(Leinster u20/Hooker)
Jack Stapleton(Leinster u19/Lock)
Michael McGagh(Leinster u20/Backrow)
Ed Brennan(Leinster u19/Backrow)
Sean O'Brien(Leinster u19/Backrow)
Liam Heylin(Leinster u18/Backrow)

Louis O’Reilly(Leinster u20/Scrumhalf)
Ross Barron(Leinster u19/Scrumhalf)
David Fitzgibbon(Leinster u19/Outhalf)

James Tarrant(Leinster u20/Outhalf)
Gavin Jones(Leinster u19/Centre)
Tom Maher(Leinster u19/Wing)
Liam Turner(Leinster u20/Wing)

Most of whom were 6th years last season, bolded return this season.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 8th, 2018, 3:23 pm

13 Leinster Academy grads in Ireland 23

1. Cian Healy(Belvedere/Clontarf)
3. Tadhg Furlong(New Ross/Clontarf)
5. James Ryan(St. Michaels/UCD)
7. Sean O'Brien(Tullow/UCD)
10. Jonathan Sexton(St. Marys/St. Marys)
15. Jordan Larmour(St. Andrew/St. Marys)
17. Jack McGrath(St. Marys/St. Marys)
18. Andrew Porter(St. Andrews/UCD)
19. Devin Toner(Castleknock/Lansdowne)
20. Dan Leavy(St. Michaels/UCD)
21. Luke McGrath(St. Michaels/UCD)
22. Joey Carbery(Athy-Blackrock/Clontarf)
23. Andrew Conway(Blackrock/Blackrock)
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 9th, 2018, 1:52 pm

Dan Sheehan played against Cambridge during the week according to trinitys twitter, he also scored a try off a lineout.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 12th, 2018, 9:37 pm

Leinster players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

Prop
Giuseppe Coyne(Blackrock/DUFC)
Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19
Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf) - u19

Hooker
Declan Adamson(Clontarf RFC/Clontarf)
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u19

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere)
Ronan Watters(St. Marys/St. Marys)

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/St. Marys)

Outhalf
Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf)

Centre
David Ryan(St. Michaels/UCD)

Back Three
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD)
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC)
Rob Russell(St. Michaels/DUFC)
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby TrapperChamonix » November 13th, 2018, 9:49 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Leinster players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

Prop
Giuseppe Coyne(Blackrock/DUFC)
Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19
Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf) - u19

Hooker
Declan Adamson(Clontarf RFC/Clontarf)
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u19

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere)
Ronan Watters(St. Marys/St. Marys)

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/St. Marys)

Outhalf
Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf)

Centre
David Ryan(St. Michaels/UCD)

Back Three
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD)
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC)
Rob Russell(St. Michaels/DUFC)


Were Baird and Dunne not involved?
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 13th, 2018, 10:03 am

TrapperChamonix wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Leinster players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

Prop
Giuseppe Coyne(Blackrock/DUFC)
Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19
Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf) - u19

Hooker
Declan Adamson(Clontarf RFC/Clontarf)
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u19

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere)
Ronan Watters(St. Marys/St. Marys)

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/St. Marys)

Outhalf
Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf)

Centre
David Ryan(St. Michaels/UCD)

Back Three
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD)
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC)
Rob Russell(St. Michaels/DUFC)


Were Baird and Dunne not involved?


Dunne is overage, turns 20 this month.

Baird wasn't on the list of players I saw who were in attendance, one of several big names absent, possibly due to injury.

notable absentee's: Ryan Baird, Scott Penny, Harry Byrne.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 14th, 2018, 3:09 pm

Liam Turner is an interesting case.

Will concerns about his lack of height and top end athleticism mean he will get passed over?

To start he will need to nail down a starting position for Ireland u20, which he may struggle to do.

There is already a player from his age grade in the academy at his likely long term position - O'Sullivan and there are several good prospects at the age grade below him.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » November 14th, 2018, 5:26 pm

Leinster meeting last night was supposedly informed about an IRFU decision to restrict Irish U.20 play-time prior to 6N and JWC, because of excessive injuries. Haven't heard full details yet but limit on maximum number of games and specific weeks become closed dates.

Main impact will be next Season onwards, but it may have some impact for the remainder of this Season. Not really surprised considering our MIA players for both competitions in last two seasons.
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby Flash Gordon » November 14th, 2018, 6:23 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Liam Turner is an interesting case.

Will concerns about his lack of height and top end athleticism mean he will get passed over?

To start he will need to nail down a starting position for Ireland u20, which he may struggle to do.

There is already a player from his age grade in the academy at his likely long term position - O'Sullivan and there are several good prospects at the age grade below him.


The lad has bags of talent for sure and a great rugby brain. As you say he's not the tallest but probably the same height as Larmour. Liam's issue is that he wasted the opportunity to go to the rugby production factory Larmour attended and potentially squandered his future across the road..... ;-)
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Re: Academy 2018/2019

Postby mildlyinterested » November 15th, 2018, 10:06 am

Flash Gordon wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Liam Turner is an interesting case.

Will concerns about his lack of height and top end athleticism mean he will get passed over?

To start he will need to nail down a starting position for Ireland u20, which he may struggle to do.

There is already a player from his age grade in the academy at his likely long term position - O'Sullivan and there are several good prospects at the age grade below him.


The lad has bags of talent for sure and a great rugby brain. As you say he's not the tallest but probably the same height as Larmour. Liam's issue is that he wasted the opportunity to go to the rugby production factory Larmour attended and potentially squandered his future across the road..... ;-)


Larmour is a special case thought, I don't think Turner is in the same of talent bracket.

Hopefully I'm wrong on that, but there has been many very good underage backs who turn out to be too small for pro rugby. Hopefully that isn't the case with him.

He has gotten off to a decent start with Trinity at least.
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