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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby thecomedian » October 11th, 2018, 2:34 pm

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tomthefan wrote:Who was the last top class scrum half out of leinster?



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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby TrapperChamonix » October 11th, 2018, 4:19 pm

artaneboy wrote:
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wixfjord wrote:

There is very little between Cooney and JGP/McGrath. If we're not calling them 'top class' then he isn't either!


I believe they all are "top class".


Are they in the same class as Arron Smith and Murray? I don’t think so? So they can’t by definition be “top class.”



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And there was me thinking if they each played in a winning HCup team that might be a reasonable measure? or in the case on 1 of them having a HCup winners medal and being widely acclaimed as replacing the irreplaceable in Ulster.
But if the measure is being the best or 2nd best in the world, then I agree with you.
But on that measure the Leinster team currently only has Furlong and Sexton who could claim to be Top Class.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby blockhead » October 11th, 2018, 4:32 pm

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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby artaneboy » October 11th, 2018, 5:13 pm

blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.


Yeah- and you're such a delicate flower. :roll:

It's forum for opinions and views Blockhead- not an echo chamber...
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby blockhead » October 11th, 2018, 5:37 pm

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blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.


Yeah- and you're such a delicate flower. :roll:

It's forum for opinions and views Blockhead- not an echo chamber...


It was more on an observation than a criticism.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby artaneboy » October 11th, 2018, 5:54 pm

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TrapperChamonix wrote:[quote="wixfjord"]


There is very little between Cooney and JGP/McGrath. If we're not calling them 'top class' then he isn't either!


I believe they all are "top class".


Are they in the same class as Arron Smith and Murray? I don’t think so? So they can’t by definition be “top class.”



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And there was me thinking if they each played in a winning HCup team that might be a reasonable measure? or in the case on 1 of them having a HCup winners medal and being widely acclaimed as replacing the irreplaceable in Ulster.
But if the measure is being the best or 2nd best in the world, then I agree with you.
But on that measure the Leinster team currently only has Furlong and Sexton who could claim to be Top Class.[/quote]

C’mon- it’s not just the top two SH though, there’s a slew of international 9s that are in the category ahead of them. All of the three guys are very good players. But they are far from bring Top Class currently. In the future; who knows?

All our geese can’t be regarded as swans- just because we know them well and like them. Some balance is needed or we become delusional. That way England rugby fandom and media lies...


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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby desperado » October 11th, 2018, 9:53 pm

blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.

he also needs to read posts before replying and misquoting. On the SH thing. Without getting into the Eamonn Dunphy 'great' versus 'good' comparisons, Luke McGrath is the No.1 SH, JGP is the No.2.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby curates_egg » October 12th, 2018, 7:51 am

desperado wrote:
blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.

he also needs to read posts before replying and misquoting. On the SH thing. Without getting into the Eamonn Dunphy 'great' versus 'good' comparisons, Luke McGrath is the No.1 SH, JGP is the No.2.


Pffft. First scrumhalf, second scrumhalf, whatever.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby Oldschool » October 12th, 2018, 7:59 am

blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.

There's no such thing as an empty room.
However I understand your drift.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby Peg Leg » October 12th, 2018, 9:20 am

Sorry, but conveyor belt of 9's me ballix. The phrase "Leinster conveyor belt of..." is a conditioning trope designed to soften the blow before the "... should move for the greater good" narrative.

We have 2 proven 9's and lot's of potential.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby Flash Gordon » October 12th, 2018, 9:29 am

TrapperChamonix wrote:
artaneboy wrote:
TrapperChamonix wrote:
I believe they all are "top class".


Are they in the same class as Arron Smith and Murray? I don’t think so? So they can’t by definition be “top class.”



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And there was me thinking if they each played in a winning HCup team that might be a reasonable measure? or in the case on 1 of them having a HCup winners medal and being widely acclaimed as replacing the irreplaceable in Ulster.
But if the measure is being the best or 2nd best in the world, then I agree with you.
But on that measure the Leinster team currently only has Furlong and Sexton who could claim to be Top Class.


Anthony Horgan, Ian Dowling John Kelly and Mick O'Driscoll all have Heineken cup medals, all good players but probably not top/world class. Of course, this is all very subjective and everyone has their own view but with regard to Leinster, we have 7 players who were Lions and add to that the likes of Van der Flier, Leavy, Ryan, Larmour, Ringrose, Lowe and maybe Conan who would all be in the frame for the Lions. You'd have to think that's a fair indicator. It's hard to see McGrath in that light at the moment though hopefully that will change and he will improve.
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Re: Leinster & a

Postby mildlyinterested » October 12th, 2018, 9:58 am

Peg Leg wrote:Sorry, but conveyor belt of 9's me ballix. The phrase "Leinster conveyor belt of..." is a conditioning trope designed to soften the blow before the "... should move for the greater good" narrative.

We have 2 proven 9's and lot's of potential.


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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby artaneboy » October 12th, 2018, 5:14 pm

desperado wrote:
blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.

he also needs to read posts before replying and misquoting. On the SH thing. Without getting into the Eamonn Dunphy 'great' versus 'good' comparisons, Luke McGrath is the No.1 SH, JGP is the No.2.


Who and how did I misquote? Specifically please.

BTW- your “Luke McGrath is the No.1 SH, JGP is the No.2” statement, (did I get that right?) is the equivalent of a teenager saying ‘FACT’ after throwing out an opinion which they know will be contentious. A rationale would be useful.

It’s obvious the Leinster management don’t see it as that clear cut.


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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby mildlyinterested » October 16th, 2018, 10:41 am

McGrath certainly showed his class at the weekend.

Thought Nick Mc was good off bench too.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby joooooe » October 16th, 2018, 1:27 pm

curates_egg wrote:
desperado wrote:
blockhead wrote:Artaneboy could have an argument in an empty room.

he also needs to read posts before replying and misquoting. On the SH thing. Without getting into the Eamonn Dunphy 'great' versus 'good' comparisons, Luke McGrath is the No.1 SH, JGP is the No.2.


Pffft. First scrumhalf, second scrumhalf, whatever.


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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby Oldschoolsocks » October 16th, 2018, 10:50 pm

Could we refer to them as the front 9 and the back 9 maybe?
I just wanted to see Gordon D'Arcy get a 'back, sack and crack wax'
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby backrower8 » October 17th, 2018, 1:10 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Thought Nick Mc was good off bench too.


So did ROG when reviewing the match on Virgin Media 1.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby wixfjord » October 17th, 2018, 9:14 am

Luke Fitz has some serious praise for McGrath in his podcast this week. Interesting listen.
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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 17th, 2018, 10:50 pm

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Re: Leinster & a "converyor belt of nines"

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » October 17th, 2018, 10:52 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Cummiskey saying that Nick McCarthy is off to Munster next season.

For f*cks*ke...I'm disgusted by that. With respect to JGP who's developed really well over the last year and obviously would have expected to be an important player for us by the time he qualified, I absolute hate that we're losing a really talented local lad, and that we lose yet another player to Munster.

Been saying this for years but Munster should have gone for a project nine years ago, but yet again we're the ones who do the work for them.


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