Leinster Squad 19-20

[ronk]

Murphy opted to leave after returning from long term injury and slowly building form, in a competitive squad position.

We also lost Carbery due to to injury disruption, first Kearney moving him to fullback then injury with Ireland stopping him getting a chance at 10.

Jack McGrath struggled with a knee injury and then had knee surgery. And the timing was right for him looking for a fresh start.

We've lost 4 players (controversially) to other provinces in 3 years. Game time was a factor and gametime was highly affected by injuries at decisive times. Maybe they were unrelated in some cases.

If we (fans, in aggregate) are quick to bypass players because of one badly timed injury then it will feed into players.

If Connors had looked at Penny getting gametime and decided that he was going to have a hard time getting back into the team (especially pre-Leavy injury) he might have looked to move. It's important that guys who get hurt get a chance again when they're fit. If they're always hhurt it's different. That's essential for good squad management.

[mildlyinterested]

murphy left leinster because he wasn't playing in europe not because leinster fans were overlooking him.

carbery left because he wasn't playing 10, McGrath because he wasn't playing in europe and his irish place was at risk.

All of these players left due to coaches deciding to play other players ahead of them, i'm not sure what that has to do with the fans "bypassing them"

[Flash Gordon]

murphy left leinster because he wasn't playing in europe not because leinster fans were overlooking him.

carbery left because he wasn't playing 10, McGrath because he wasn't playing in europe and his irish place was at risk.

All of these players left due to coaches deciding to play other players ahead of them, i'm not sure what that has to do with the fans "bypassing them"

Fans didn't bypass any one, Jordi was clear, he said Joe told him he hadn't seen enough of him and it was pretty obvious that Joe wanted Carbery playing week in week out at outhalf. Jack clearly hasn't been getting game time since the 6 Nations and doesn't seem to believe that he can displace Church,

Have these moves worked out? Jordi has had an excellent season up North and is a marquee player. Carbery, I'd argue, has played but his development has been less than exponential. McGrath, we'll see.

Have these moves hurt Leinster, undoubtedly. One of the reasons we lost to Saracens in the Champions Cup final was that we had very little to impact off the bench, depth matters. Would Joey have changed the game? Who knows, could he, most definitely.

[mildlyinterested]

murphy left leinster because he wasn't playing in europe not because leinster fans were overlooking him.

carbery left because he wasn't playing 10, McGrath because he wasn't playing in europe and his irish place was at risk.

All of these players left due to coaches deciding to play other players ahead of them, i'm not sure what that has to do with the fans "bypassing them"

Fans didn't bypass any one, Jordi was clear, he said Joe told him he hadn't seen enough of him and it was pretty obvious that Joe wanted Carbery playing week in week out at outhalf. Jack clearly hasn't been getting game time since the 6 Nations and doesn't seem to believe that he can displace Church,

Have these moves worked out? Jordi has had an excellent season up North and is a marquee player. Carbery, I'd argue, has played but his development has been less than exponential. McGrath, we'll see.

Have these moves hurt Leinster, undoubtedly. One of the reasons we lost to Saracens in the Champions Cup final was that we had very little to impact off the bench, depth matters. Would Joey have changed the game? Who knows, could he, most definitely.

I agree with all of that. These players left to further their ireland careers, two of them leaving mid-contract.

[wixfjord]

I'm really excited about seeing more of Connors. His performance in Kingspan Ravers at the end of the year was very impressive. He's high energy with a great tackle technique. Looks to me like he could be a good foil for JVDF.

[Oldschool]

Pleasantly surprised to get Rob Kearney for more one season. Good work by the IRFU

I'm glad Rob signed too. He would have been able to get 2 years elsewhere and he could have happily called it a day after the RWC and gone out on a high.

Farrell will have a lot on his plate and Rob is a key player with a key role defensively.

+1
We absolutely need a bit of stability at FB as the NG are bedded in.

[mildlyinterested]

Leinster senior squad next season, age as of start of the season

LH Prop
Cian Healy(31) - Centrally contracted until June 2021.
Ed Byrne(26) - Signed contract in 2018.
Peter Dooley(25) - Signed contract in 2018.

TH Prop
Michael Bent(33) - Signed contract in 2018.
Tadhg Furlong(26) - Centrally contracted until June 2021.
Andrew Porter(23) - Signed contract in 2018.
Vakh Abdaladze(23) - Signed contact in 2018.

Hooker
Sean Cronin(33) - Signed contract in 2018.
James Tracy(28) - Signed contract in 2018.
Bryan Byrne(26) - Signed contract in 2019
Ronan Kelleher(21) - Signed contract in 2019

Lock
Scott Fardy(35) - Signed 1 yr contract in 2019.
Devin Toner(33) - Centrally contracted until June 2020.
Ross Molony(25) - Signed contract in 2018.
James Ryan(23) - Signed contract in 2017.

Backrow
Rhys Ruddock(28) - Signed contract in 2018.
Jack Conan(27) - Signed contract in 2019.
Josh Van Der Flier(26) - Signed contract in 2018.
Dan Leavy(25) - Signed contract in 2019.
Josh Murphy(24) - Signed contract in 2019.
Will Connors(23) - Signed contract in 2018.
Max Deegan(22) - Signed contract in 2019.
Caelan Doris(21) - Signed contract in 2018.
Scott Penny(20) - Signed contract in 2019.

Scrumhalf
Jamie Gibson Park(27) - Signed contract in 2019.
Luke McGrath(26) - Signed contract in 2019.
Hugh O'Sullivan(21) - Signed contract in 2019.

Outhalf
Jonathan Sexton(34) - Centrally contracted until June 2021.
Ross Byrne(24) - Signed contract in 2017.
Ciaran Frawley(21) - Signed contract in 2019.

Centre
Joe Tomane(29) - Signed 2 yr contract in 2018.
Robbie Henshaw(26) - Centrally contracted until June 2022.
Rory O'Loughlin(25) - Signed contract in 2017.
Garry Ringrose(24) - Signed contract in 2018.
Conor O'Brien(23) - Signed contract in 2019.

Back Three
Rob Kearney(33) - Centrally contracted until June 2020.
Fergus McFadden(33) - Signed contract in 2019.
Dave Kearney(30) - Signed contract in 2019.
James Lowe(27) - Signed 3yr contract in 2017.
Barry Daly(26) - Signed contract in 2019.
Adam Byrne(25) - Signed contract in 2019.
Cian Kelleher(25) - Signed contract in 2019.
Hugo Keenan(23) - Signed contract in 2019.
Jimmy O'Brien(22) - Signed contract in 2019.
Jordan Larmour(22) - Signed contract in 2018.

[mildlyinterested]

Leinster squad minus ireland training camp players, injured players and players who are going to the JWC.

LH Prop
Ed Byrne(26) - 45 caps
Peter Dooley(25) - 61 caps

TH Prop
Michael Bent(33) - 124 caps*
Vakh Abdaladze(23) - 7 caps
Jack Aungier(20)

Hooker
James Tracy(28) - 92 caps.
Bryan Byrne(26) - 42 caps
Ronan Kelleher(21) - 2 caps
Dan Sheehan(21)

Lock
Scott Fardy(35) - 43 caps*
Ross Molony(25) - 82 caps
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Oisin Dowling(22) - 4 caps
Jack Dunne(20) - 5 caps

Backrow
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Will Connors(23) - 5 caps
Max Deegan(22) - 46 caps
Caelan Doris(21) - 16 caps
Scott Penny(20) - 6 caps

Scrumhalf
Jamie Gibson Park(27) - 70 caps*
Hugh O'Sullivan(21) - 14 caps
Paddy Patterson(20) - 3 caps

Outhalf
Ciaran Frawley(21) - 14 caps
Harry Byrne(20)

Centre
Joe Tomane(29) - 13 caps*
Rory O'Loughlin(25) - 62 caps
Conor O'Brien(23) - 17 caps
Gavin Mullin(21) - 2 caps
Tommy O'Brien(21)

Back Three
Fergus McFadden(33) - 178 caps
James Lowe(27) - 30 caps*
Barry Daly(26) - 36 caps
Adam Byrne(25) - 52 caps
Cian Kelleher(25) - 7 caps*
Hugo Keenan(23) - 5 caps.
Jimmy O'Brien(22) - 7 caps
Michael Silvester(21)
Aaron O'Sullivan(19)

[Oldschool]

Leinster squad minus ireland training camp players, injured players and players who are going to the JWC.

LH Prop
Ed Byrne(26) - 45 caps
Peter Dooley(25) - 61 caps

TH Prop
Michael Bent(33) - 124 caps*
Vakh Abdaladze(23) - 7 caps
Jack Aungier(20)

Hooker
James Tracy(28) - 92 caps.
Bryan Byrne(26) - 42 caps
Ronan Kelleher(21) - 2 caps
Dan Sheehan(21)

Lock
Scott Fardy(35) - 43 caps*
Ross Molony(25) - 82 caps
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Oisin Dowling(22) - 4 caps
Jack Dunne(20) - 5 caps

Backrow
Dan Leavy(25) - 63 caps
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Will Connors(23) - 5 caps
Max Deegan(22) - 46 caps
Caelan Doris(21) - 16 caps
Scott Penny(20) - 6 caps

Scrumhalf
Jamie Gibson Park(27) - 70 caps*
Hugh O'Sullivan(21) - 14 caps
Paddy Patterson(20) - 3 caps

Outhalf
Ciaran Frawley(21) - 14 caps
Harry Byrne(20)

Centre
Joe Tomane(29) - 13 caps*
Rory O'Loughlin(25) - 62 caps
Conor O'Brien(23) - 17 caps
Gavin Mullin(21) - 2 caps
Tommy O'Brien(21)

Back Three
Fergus McFadden(33) - 178 caps
James Lowe(27) - 30 caps*
Barry Daly(26) - 36 caps
Adam Byrne(25) - 52 caps
Cian Kelleher(25) - 7 caps*
Hugo Keenan(23) - 5 caps.
Jimmy O'Brien(22) - 7 caps
Michael Silvester(21)
Aaron O'Sullivan(19)

Great post.
Match day 23 from above would be an interesting discussion.

[mildlyinterested]

1. Byrne, 2. Byrne, 3. Bent
4. Molony, 5. Fardy
6. Doris, 7. Penny, 8. Deegan
9. JGP, 10. Frawley
11. Lowe, 12. COB, 13. ROL, 14. Byrne ,15. Kelleher
16. Tracy, 17. Dooley, 18. Vakh, 19. Dunne, 20. Connors, 21. HOS, 22. Byrne, 23. JOB

[leinster23]

Leinster squad minus ireland training camp players, injured players and players who are going to the JWC.

LH Prop
Ed Byrne(26) - 45 caps
Peter Dooley(25) - 61 caps

TH Prop
Michael Bent(33) - 124 caps*
Vakh Abdaladze(23) - 7 caps
Jack Aungier(20)

Hooker
James Tracy(28) - 92 caps.
Bryan Byrne(26) - 42 caps
Ronan Kelleher(21) - 2 caps
Dan Sheehan(21)

Lock
Scott Fardy(35) - 43 caps*
Ross Molony(25) - 82 caps
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Oisin Dowling(22) - 4 caps
Jack Dunne(20) - 5 caps

Backrow
Josh Murphy(24) - 21 caps
Will Connors(23) - 5 caps
Max Deegan(22) - 46 caps
Caelan Doris(21) - 16 caps
Scott Penny(20) - 6 caps

Scrumhalf
Jamie Gibson Park(27) - 70 caps*
Hugh O'Sullivan(21) - 14 caps
Paddy Patterson(20) - 3 caps

Outhalf
Ciaran Frawley(21) - 14 caps
Harry Byrne(20)

Centre
Joe Tomane(29) - 13 caps*
Rory O'Loughlin(25) - 62 caps
Conor O'Brien(23) - 17 caps
Gavin Mullin(21) - 2 caps
Tommy O'Brien(21)

Back Three
Fergus McFadden(33) - 178 caps
James Lowe(27) - 30 caps*
Barry Daly(26) - 36 caps
Adam Byrne(25) - 52 caps
Cian Kelleher(25) - 7 caps*
Hugo Keenan(23) - 5 caps.
Jimmy O'Brien(22) - 7 caps
Michael Silvester(21)
Aaron O'Sullivan(19)

Do Penny and Harry Byrne not have injuries keeping them out of the JWC?

[mildlyinterested]

Yes thats why they are listed. Both should be training with senior squad from start of preseason.

[ronk]

I agree with all of that. These players left to further their ireland careers, two of them leaving mid-contract.

They did. And they all would have played more leading up to decision time and been more secure if they hadn’t been dragged into a selection battle while injured.

[leinsterforever]

1. Byrne, 2. Byrne, 3. Bent
4. Molony, 5. Fardy
6. Doris, 7. Penny, 8. Deegan
9. JGP, 10. Frawley
11. Lowe, 12. COB, 13. ROL, 14. Byrne ,15. Kelleher
16. Tracy, 17. Dooley, 18. Vakh, 19. Dunne, 20. Connors, 21. HOS, 22. Byrne, 23. JOB

Think I'd go for:

1. Peter Dooley
2. James Tracy
3. Michael Bent
4. Ross Molony
5. Scott Fardy
6. Josh Murphy
7. Will Connors
8. Max Deegan
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Ciarán Frawley
11. James Lowe
12. Conor O'Brien
13. Rory O'Loughlin
14. Barry Daly
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Edward Byrne
18. Vakhtang Abdaladze
19. Jack Dunne
20. Caelan Doris
21. Hugh O'Sullivan/Paddy Patterson
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jimmy O'Brien

Obviously there'll be rotation and the likes of the Byrne twins, Dunne, Doris, Penny, Adam Byrne and maybe Kelleher and Tomane will get starts. It would be good to see Tommy O'Brien finally see some action as well.

[blockhead]

No more choosing between Fardy, Lowe and JCB.
What a massive pain in the hole that was.
It's like we gained a new player.

[Xanthippe]

Shoulder surgery for J-Lo. Did we know he was carrying an injury?

[cormac]

Shoulder surgery for J-Lo. Did we know he was carrying an injury?

Can remember seeing him in one of the games during the 6N (might have been home game v Kings) where he looked like he was carrying a knock but as it didn't seem to be holding him back in any of his subsequent appearances I didn't think much of it.

[ronk]

Shoulder surgery for J-Lo. Did we know he was carrying an injury?

Can remember seeing him in one of the games during the 6N (might have been home game v Kings) where he looked like he was carrying a knock but as it didn't seem to be holding him back in any of his subsequent appearances I didn't think much of it.

He quietly went through a period of games, end of 6N IIRC, where he wasnt selected.

Fits now.

[mildlyinterested]

players who ended season injured, not in WC squad:

Adam Byrne(hamstring)
Barry Daly(collarbone)
James Lowe(shoulder)
Scott Penny(shoulder)
Harry Byrne(hip)
Tommy O'Brien(hamstring)

don't think i'm missing anyone..

[leinsterforever]

players who ended season injured, not in WC squad:

Adam Byrne(hamstring)
Barry Daly(collarbone)
James Lowe(shoulder)
Scott Penny(shoulder)
Harry Byrne(hip)
Tommy O'Brien(hamstring)

don't think i'm missing anyone..

Tomane did his hamstring again, didn't he?