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Re: Munster v Leinster Sat 29th 5.15pm

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janeymac08 wrote:I wonder is the reason for Leinster really poor discipline down to the fact that the Leinster Branch have no professional refs in its ranks and to be readily available to take training sessions with the teams. John Lacey does that with Munster.

Now that I think of it, why is Leinster so poor at developing referees? Six of the 7 pro refs are Munster Branch refs. The seventh is from Ulster. Maybe the Leinster Branch could get the finger out :wink:
This is the same Leinster that only had one yellow card until this match?

Maybe it just had to do with the fact that they were playing Munster in Thomand Park- eh?


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COYBIB wrote:
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COYBIB wrote:Missed the last line I take it? Thanks for the throwback to 2003 by the way! I always say, memes are the highest form of wit!
No unfortunately I took it all in!
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The thing about the Lowe red, and any number of incidents like it, is that the game sets people up for it to happen - even when they're trying to play the game completely legally. The 'he should have got off the ground' crowd aren't taking into account the nuances of the physics of the situation, in my view. There are exceptions, of course, but in the vast majority of these mid-air collisions, it's the chaser from the team that kicked the ball that gets in trouble. It seems to me that there's a reason for this. If the ball is flying away from you, you have to get a bit of length in your jump to collect it cleanly, whereas if you're the receiver, if you've got good timing, you can focus more on getting height in your jump and letting the ball come to you. Two players trying to play the game fairly, and one is almost set up to get penalised by the trajectory of the ball.

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems wrong that you can get red for playing the game, but only get penalized for deliberately and maliciously tackling someone in the air if they don't fall dangerously
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leinsterforever wrote:The thing about the Lowe red, and any number of incidents like it, is that the game sets people up for it to happen - even when they're trying to play the game completely legally. The 'he should have got off the ground' crowd aren't taking into account the nuances of the physics of the situation, in my view. There are exceptions, of course, but in the vast majority of these mid-air collisions, it's the chaser from the team that kicked the ball that gets in trouble. It seems to me that there's a reason for this. If the ball is flying away from you, you have to get a bit of length in your jump to collect it cleanly, whereas if you're the receiver, if you've got good timing, you can focus more on getting height in your jump and letting the ball come to you. Two players trying to play the game fairly, and one is almost set up to get penalised by the trajectory of the ball.

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems wrong that you can get red for playing the game, but only get penalized for deliberately and maliciously tackling someone in the air if they don't fall dangerously
Interesting to read the wording of the law in that light:
“The referee showed the player a red card under Law 9.17 – A player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground., "
So which one did Lowe do? He didn't tackle him, charge him, pull him, push him or grasp him. He occupied the space where he would have landed, leading to a dangerous fall. So yeah its both unlucky and dangerous, but which one does he get done for? A charge would be the closest I guess,
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wixfjord wrote:https://twitter.com/threeredkings/statu ... 3517649920

It's fairly clear Sexton does something. Looks like he drops the knee into Carbery.
Would need another angle to confirm but it does not look good.
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Dexter wrote:
leinsterforever wrote:The thing about the Lowe red, and any number of incidents like it, is that the game sets people up for it to happen - even when they're trying to play the game completely legally. The 'he should have got off the ground' crowd aren't taking into account the nuances of the physics of the situation, in my view. There are exceptions, of course, but in the vast majority of these mid-air collisions, it's the chaser from the team that kicked the ball that gets in trouble. It seems to me that there's a reason for this. If the ball is flying away from you, you have to get a bit of length in your jump to collect it cleanly, whereas if you're the receiver, if you've got good timing, you can focus more on getting height in your jump and letting the ball come to you. Two players trying to play the game fairly, and one is almost set up to get penalised by the trajectory of the ball.

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems wrong that you can get red for playing the game, but only get penalized for deliberately and maliciously tackling someone in the air if they don't fall dangerously
Interesting to read the wording of the law in that light:
“The referee showed the player a red card under Law 9.17 – A player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground., "
So which one did Lowe do? He didn't tackle him, charge him, pull him, push him or grasp him. He occupied the space where he would have landed, leading to a dangerous fall. So yeah its both unlucky and dangerous, but which one does he get done for? A charge would be the closest I guess,
He charged him - ran right into him, taking him out in the air
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Laighin Break wrote:
Dexter wrote: Interesting to read the wording of the law in that light:
“The referee showed the player a red card under Law 9.17 – A player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground., "
So which one did Lowe do? He didn't tackle him, charge him, pull him, push him or grasp him. He occupied the space where he would have landed, leading to a dangerous fall. So yeah its both unlucky and dangerous, but which one does he get done for? A charge would be the closest I guess,
He charged him - ran right into him, taking him out in the air
That's what I said, a charge would be the closest thing to what he did. The way you phrase it makes it sound intentional though, which it obviously wasn't.
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wixfjord wrote:
Ah dude you can do better than that surely! That one didn't even make sense!
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just popped into munsterfans.com to see fan reaction...most are pulling their hair out because, apart from an intercept try against 14, they probably would have lost...the general gist is that this munster win against leinster is up there with the win against the all blacks in 1978!!

Interesting to see what happens should we meet in the playoffs for the pro14!
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MylesNaGapoleen wrote:just popped into munsterfans.com to see fan reaction...most are pulling their hair out because, apart from an intercept try against 14, they probably would have lost...the general gist is that this munster win against leinster is up there with the win against the all blacks in 1978!!

Interesting to see what happens should we meet in the playoffs for the pro14!
Munster's best chance of winning something would be if they came up against Leinster, I reckon. The whole derby element can be a real leveller
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leinsterforever wrote:
MylesNaGapoleen wrote:just popped into munsterfans.com to see fan reaction...most are pulling their hair out because, apart from an intercept try against 14, they probably would have lost...the general gist is that this munster win against leinster is up there with the win against the all blacks in 1978!!

Interesting to see what happens should we meet in the playoffs for the pro14!
Munster's best chance of winning something would be if they came up against Leinster, I reckon. The whole derby element can be a real leveller
-1+1 I reckon we'd level then alright. :wink:
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If we run into them again in the playoffs (either comp) Leinster will win end of story. That was a real freak of a game down in Thomond. Can't see Munster winning anything again this year, looks likely we could meet them in PRO 14 semi (depends on how Glasgow do for the rest of this year) and we will beat them at home I have no doubt. In the Champions Cup they are likely to have to beat at least one if not two of Leinster, Saracens, Racing 92 and can't see it happening. (And they still have work to do to get out of their pool - lose to Gloucester away and it's going to be very hairy for them).

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tomthefan wrote:Any sign of Deco?
Howdy Tom. I've been a bit sick since the match, but a good win for you guys. Enjoy the bragging rights.
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deco wrote:
tomthefan wrote:Any sign of Deco?
Howdy Tom. I've been a bit sick since the match, but a good win for you guys. Enjoy the bragging rights.
They came close to hosting a parade I heard. It meant that much to them.
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I haven't heard anyone in the company I keep suggesting anything like a parade or comparing it to the 78 All Blacks game (still have my program from that game ) .It was a one match in a long season, a very important match , but if we don't use the momentum from the match over the next few weeks it will be a wasted effort.
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RAILWAY1 wrote:I haven't heard anyone in the company I keep suggesting anything like a parade or comparing it to the 78 All Blacks game (still have my program from that game ) .
Didn't I see you in the GPO in 1916 too?
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small bit too young for that gig :D :D
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curates_egg wrote:
RAILWAY1 wrote:I haven't heard anyone in the company I keep suggesting anything like a parade or comparing it to the 78 All Blacks game (still have my program from that game ) .
Didn't I see you in the GPO in 1916 too?
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It was one of the rare occasions that I didn't get to Thomond Park for the match but was at my niece's wedding and watched it on tv with a grand bunch of lads from Navan . There was no quarter asked or given in the good natured slagging before , during or after the match as it should be
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How would the open top bus get from Limerick to Cape Town?
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