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Postby mildlyinterested » January 15th, 2019, 10:29 am

Following on from this article which highlighted an interesting comment from a leinster loss a few years back:

“As I said in a previous post, Leinster ‘bought’ their H-Cups,” they posted online. “For each year they were successful they had a hard, aggressive forward that led the way — [Rocky] Elsom, [Brad] Thorn, [Nathan] Hines. Sadly they have none this year and boy does it show. Indigenous Leinster forwards just don’t have that hard edge. Simple fact.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/de4e ... 3ea05?t=ie

Homegrown forwards who have played in europe this season:

LH Prop
Cian Healy
Jack McGrath
Ed Byrne

TH Prop
Tadhg Furlong
Andrew Porter

Hooker
James Tracy

Lock
Devin Toner
James Ryan
Ross Molony

Backrow
Sean O'Brien
Dan Leavy
Jack Conan
Josh Van Der Flier
Max Deegan
Rhys Ruddock
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby curates_egg » January 15th, 2019, 10:53 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Following on from this article which highlighted an interesting comment from a leinster loss a few years back:

“As I said in a previous post, Leinster ‘bought’ their H-Cups,” they posted online. “For each year they were successful they had a hard, aggressive forward that led the way — [Rocky] Elsom, [Brad] Thorn, [Nathan] Hines. Sadly they have none this year and boy does it show. Indigenous Leinster forwards just don’t have that hard edge. Simple fact.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/de4e ... 3ea05?t=ie

Homegrown forwards who have played in europe this season:

LH Prop
Cian Healy
Jack McGrath
Ed Byrne

TH Prop
Tadhg Furlong
Andrew Porter

Hooker
James Tracy

Lock
Devin Toner
James Ryan
Ross Molony

Backrow
Sean O'Brien
Dan Leavy
Jack Conan
Josh Van Der Flier
Max Deegan
Rhys Ruddock


Mick Kearney and Doris also in the squad.
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby mildlyinterested » January 15th, 2019, 11:20 am

curates_egg wrote:
Mick Kearney and Doris also in the squad.


Well other homegrown forwards in euro squad, but yet to appear:

Peter Dooley(LH Prop)
Bryan Byrne(Hooker)
Mick Kearney(Lock)
Josh Murphy(Backrow)
Caelan Doris(Backrow)
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby Mickado » January 15th, 2019, 11:36 am

What about indigenous Leinster forwards not playing for Leinster:

Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Nick Timoney
Tadhg Beirne
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby mildlyinterested » January 15th, 2019, 11:38 am

Mickado wrote:What about indigenous Leinster forwards not playing for Leinster:

Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Nick Timoney
Tadhg Beirne


Eric O'Sullivan also.
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby curates_egg » January 15th, 2019, 12:01 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Mickado wrote:What about indigenous Leinster forwards not playing for Leinster:

Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Nick Timoney
Tadhg Beirne


Eric O'Sullivan also.


Loughman?
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby Degz » January 15th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Jeremy Loughman too.
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby blockhead » January 15th, 2019, 12:10 pm

Degz wrote:Jeremy Loughman too.

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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby arsebiscuits1 » January 15th, 2019, 12:30 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:Following on from this article which highlighted an interesting comment from a leinster loss a few years back:

“As I said in a previous post, Leinster ‘bought’ their H-Cups,” they posted online. “For each year they were successful they had a hard, aggressive forward that led the way — [Rocky] Elsom, [Brad] Thorn, [Nathan] Hines. Sadly they have none this year and boy does it show. Indigenous Leinster forwards just don’t have that hard edge. Simple fact.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/de4e ... 3ea05?t=ie



What a strange quote. Who wrote it?

Given the players mentioned it was written around 2012 at the earliest. Sean O'Brien was European player of the year in 2011. You'd need to be cognitively deficient to think that he didn't have that "hard edge" especially around that time.

Back then we also had Cian Healy rapidly approaching his first peak to be a test lion before a cruel injury struck him down.

In the back row there was also Locky and Jenno. Neither had fantastic skill levels to be considered world class but it's hard to argue against them being tough as nails. Neither player was known for giving an inch.

But alas, we mustn't let facts get in the way of... simple facts

I don't really buy into this "hard edge" reputation that people fawn on about players. For me people tend to focus on it too much to gloss over obvious deficiencies in the rest of their game
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby cormac » January 15th, 2019, 12:48 pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:Following on from this article which highlighted an interesting comment from a leinster loss a few years back:

“As I said in a previous post, Leinster ‘bought’ their H-Cups,” they posted online. “For each year they were successful they had a hard, aggressive forward that led the way — [Rocky] Elsom, [Brad] Thorn, [Nathan] Hines. Sadly they have none this year and boy does it show. Indigenous Leinster forwards just don’t have that hard edge. Simple fact.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/de4e ... 3ea05?t=ie



What a strange quote. Who wrote it?

Given the players mentioned it was written around 2012 at the earliest. Sean O'Brien was European player of the year in 2011. You'd need to be cognitively deficient to think that he didn't have that "hard edge" especially around that time.

Back then we also had Cian Healy rapidly approaching his first peak to be a test lion before a cruel injury struck him down.

In the back row there was also Locky and Jenno. Neither had fantastic skill levels to be considered world class but it's hard to argue against them being tough as nails. Neither player was knock for giving an inch.

But alas, we mustn't let facts get in the way of... simple facts

I don't really buy into this "hard edge" reputation that people fawn on about players. For me people tend to focus on it too much to gloss over obvious deficiencies in the rest of their game


It was a comment under RTE's match report from the away defeat to Wasps three years ago. I wouldn't pay it much attention.
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby arsebiscuits1 » January 15th, 2019, 12:51 pm

cormac wrote:
It was a comment under RTE's match report from the away defeat to Wasps three years ago. I wouldn't pay it much attention.


Oh it was a forum comment? I thought it was some journalist ha
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby fourthirtythree » January 15th, 2019, 1:05 pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote:


What a strange quote. Who wrote it?

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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby R-Dog » January 15th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Leinster bought their H Cups....

How exactly did Sarries and Toulon go about winning them...?

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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby Flash Gordon » January 15th, 2019, 2:24 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:
Mickado wrote:What about indigenous Leinster forwards not playing for Leinster:

Marty Moore
Jordi Murphy
Nick Timoney
Tadhg Beirne


Eric O'Sullivan also.


And Greg Jones at Ulster.

The original piece was ridiculous. In addition to some world class players listed about we had Lion Jamie Heaslip, Jordi and Dippy on the field
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby neiliog93 » January 16th, 2019, 12:52 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Following on from this article which highlighted an interesting comment from a leinster loss a few years back:

“As I said in a previous post, Leinster ‘bought’ their H-Cups,” they posted online. “For each year they were successful they had a hard, aggressive forward that led the way — [Rocky] Elsom, [Brad] Thorn, [Nathan] Hines. Sadly they have none this year and boy does it show. Indigenous Leinster forwards just don’t have that hard edge. Simple fact.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/de4e ... 3ea05?t=ie

Homegrown forwards who have played in europe this season:

LH Prop
Cian Healy
Jack McGrath
Ed Byrne

TH Prop
Tadhg Furlong
Andrew Porter

Hooker
James Tracy

Lock
Devin Toner
James Ryan
Ross Molony

Backrow
Sean O'Brien
Dan Leavy
Jack Conan
Josh Van Der Flier
Max Deegan
Rhys Ruddock


Nonsense comment. Say that to SOB, Leavy, Healy, James Ryan etc's face..
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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby mildlyinterested » January 16th, 2019, 12:24 pm

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Re: Leinster Homegrown Forwards

Postby johng » January 16th, 2019, 1:22 pm

If we are claiming the like of Nick Timoney and even Robin Copeland as "Leinster developed players" then Surely Rhys is an Osprey
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