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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby backrower8 » April 1st, 2019, 2:33 pm

Anyone else concerned by another scrum penalty against due to Porter taking over from Tadhg? To me its a very worrying trend.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby FLIP » April 1st, 2019, 2:55 pm

backrower8 wrote:Anyone else concerned by another scrum penalty against due to Porter taking over from Tadhg? To me its a very worrying trend.


As a prop, no. Poor refereeing was the cause for the penalty. Reputation based refereeing instead of actually refereeing based on what was occurring.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby XyzFoo » April 1st, 2019, 3:28 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Have no recording of that. Anybody know where I can get a stream replay?
Up on acrossthetasman.com already


Any other sources, do you know? I'm not a member at acrossthetasman.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Grumpy Old Man » April 1st, 2019, 6:02 pm

XyzFoo wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Have no recording of that. Anybody know where I can get a stream replay?
Up on acrossthetasman.com already


Any other sources, do you know? I'm not a member at acrossthetasman.


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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Peg Leg » April 1st, 2019, 6:14 pm

Grumpy Old Man wrote:
XyzFoo wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:[quote="Ruckedtobits"]Have no recording of that. Anybody know where I can get a stream replay?
Up on acrossthetasman.com already


Any other sources, do you know? I'm not a member at acrossthetasman.


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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby backrower8 » April 1st, 2019, 6:18 pm

FLIP wrote:
backrower8 wrote:Anyone else concerned by another scrum penalty against due to Porter taking over from Tadhg? To me its a very worrying trend.


As a prop, no. Poor refereeing was the cause for the penalty. Reputation based refereeing instead of actually refereeing based on what was occurring.


Tell me more because whether it is him or the referee's interpretation of his reoutation it is amounting to the same thing for Ireland and Leinster, penalties against us at scrum time. Ironoically, he was very solid at scrumtime in 2018 when he had less experience, not so much in 2019.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Xanthippe » April 1st, 2019, 6:45 pm

Icarus wrote:The most interesting (I am tempted to use a more impactive adjective) vignette of the match:
Went over to commiserate with the nearest Ulster supporter afterwards: a young one waving an Ulster flag. It turned out she was a Munster lady: ‘anyone but Leinster’ and all that.


On the flip side my daughter and I were sitting beside a really lovely lady who brought her Leinster flag with her, had a Blue Room band on her wrist and told us she is a Leinster season ticket holder - she can't get to her own team's games because of time commitments and so supports us for all bar two games every season. She eventually felt comfortable enough with us to show us that under her blue coat she was wearing her Munster jersey.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby RoboProp » April 1st, 2019, 7:47 pm

Xanthippe wrote:
Icarus wrote:The most interesting (I am tempted to use a more impactive adjective) vignette of the match:
Went over to commiserate with the nearest Ulster supporter afterwards: a young one waving an Ulster flag. It turned out she was a Munster lady: ‘anyone but Leinster’ and all that.


On the flip side my daughter and I were sitting beside a really lovely lady who brought her Leinster flag with her, had a Blue Room band on her wrist and told us she is a Leinster season ticket holder - she can't get to her own team's games because of time commitments and so supports us for all bar two games every season. She eventually felt comfortable enough with us to show us that under her blue coat she was wearing her Munster jersey.


Then you had some oik in a Leinster jersey conversing in
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby dropkick » April 3rd, 2019, 10:29 am

wixfjord wrote:
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wixfjord wrote:Anyone know what the story with ROL is? Was he injured going off? Haven't heard much about it since the game.

I thought the 10/12 didn't really work in the first half for us.


I agree. Byrne was pretty nervy at the start and I thought his distribution wasn't great - I know Ringrose's charged down kick was poor but look at the pass he gets from Byrne. Through much of the game he was distributing deeper than Sexton and the 12 channel was crowded as a consequence. Balls of steel to put the kick over though!


In fairness part of it was Ulster's brilliant line speed too.

They really shut us down. Cave did a good job on Ringrose and we struggled to release our back line.

Could've done with Henshaw to give a bit more oomph or with one or two of our forwards using out the back passes to hold their defense a bit. I heard Andy Dunne was fairly critical of Byrne on OTB yesterday too for not turning them with kicks, but not sure I'd agree with that.



I think Dunne's general point is Leinster were too scripted. He says the same about Ireland which I would agree with. The problem with being too scripted is the opposition don't have to think much and can target certain areas. Ulster targeted Ringrose time and time again and it was easy.


I think the match has one of the highest tackle counts of all time with 430 or thereabouts.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby OTT » April 3rd, 2019, 11:02 am

I think the problem with that view point is that it makes out every team Ireland and Leinster face are sh!t and they beat us (in this case not even that) inspite of them being sh!t because of our tactics, it shows a lack of respect for our opposition. I think it is a bit lazy.

We were in the quarter final of the Heineken Cup against a pumped up rival, Ulster played magnificently and you know what they still lost. We are not where we were last season for numerous reasons but we won and gave Ulster cheap scores. I will take that.

We need to get better, all teams should be striving for that.

The biggest disappointment for Ireland and Leinster on Saturday was Dan Leavy's injury because that guy makes every team he plays in much better and gives us a much better chance of winning when he plays.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby TrapperChamonix » April 3rd, 2019, 11:53 am

OTT wrote:I think the problem with that view point is that it makes out every team Ireland and Leinster face are sh!t and they beat us (in this case not even that) inspite of them being sh!t because of our tactics, it shows a lack of respect for our opposition. I think it is a bit lazy.

We were in the quarter final of the Heineken Cup against a pumped up rival, Ulster played magnificently and you know what they still lost. We are not where we were last season for numerous reasons but we won and gave Ulster cheap scores. I will take that.

We need to get better, all teams should be striving for that.

The biggest disappointment for Ireland and Leinster on Saturday was Dan Leavy's injury because that guy makes every team he plays in much better and gives us a much better chance of winning when he plays.


After listening to Dunne, I watched the 1st half again last night. Only twice in the 1st half did Ulster use significant line speed to close down a Leinster passing move in the outside center channel. The 1st one was a penalty against them for off side and the 2nd was a knock on (I thought deliberate) in the tackle by McCloskey that led to a Leinster scrum. I'll watch the 2nd half tonite.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 3rd, 2019, 12:06 pm

I agreed with Dunne, thought we played into Ulster's hands a bit. But I think that he/most people have missed the fact that Ross Byrne's injury seemed to get worse as the game went on. So yes he probably did ship too much ball without putting much value on it, but it was partly because he couldn't move very well. I didn't like the first phase moves we tried with those flashy inside balls that didn't work. BOD was on OTB and said that we should have been setting up rucks to take away their linespeed and then going for those moves.

I'm a big fan of Dunne but I don't think he was asking for much more from Saturday really, mainly just a bit more of a kicking game from Ross. Hard to argue with that.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Ruckedtobits » April 3rd, 2019, 9:45 pm

Really had the opinion watching the game on Satyrday that Ulster mid-field had read our attacking script. Not saying it was another 'Leeds Utd' homework project, but Cave and McCloskey read RO'L and Ringer like a book and Jordan knocked on two options under pressure.

Didn't agree with Dunne's analysis.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby paddyor » April 3rd, 2019, 10:25 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Really had the opinion watching the game on Satyrday that Ulster mid-field had read our attacking script. Not saying it was another 'Leeds Utd' homework project, but Cave and McCloskey read RO'L and Ringer like a book and Jordan knocked on two options under pressure.

Didn't agree with Dunne's analysis.

I think like Hugo said having big boshing back like Henshaw in particular but also to a lesser extent Kearney at times or even Lowe coming off the wing tends to fix defenders a bit more. 10s with a limited running game need that option to take out a defender or 2 IMO and none of ROL or Larmour were, though DK/Byrne could’ve done a jibe there.

Plus, if they’ve you that well read it’s not entirely certain that they’ve sold out on the pass to the exclusion of all else. Like maybe they want you to play it closer to the line for the intercept or turn it over with a kick into some space for Lowry or Stockdale. Like when Reid tried to kick thrust got blocked down(3rd of the match). The point being the alternative option isn’t always a positive outcome.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Oldschool » April 21st, 2019, 8:02 pm

In hindsight this was the toughest game we've had to play in the Heineken CC so far this season.
We squeaked thru and was probably the wake up call we needed.
Ulster would have beaten Toulouse too.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby blockhead » April 21st, 2019, 9:24 pm

Oldschool wrote:In hindsight this was the toughest game we've had to play in the Heineken CC so far this season.
We squeaked thru and was probably the wake up call we needed.
Ulster would have beaten Toulouse too.


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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby Oldschool » April 21st, 2019, 9:49 pm

blockhead wrote:
Oldschool wrote:In hindsight this was the toughest game we've had to play in the Heineken CC so far this season.
We squeaked thru and was probably the wake up call we needed.
Ulster would have beaten Toulouse too.


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Re: Leinster v Ulster: AVIVA, Heino QF

Postby tomthefan » April 21st, 2019, 9:50 pm

Best performance from Leinster in 2019 by a mile. Good to see so many players on their game. Henshaw, ringrose, Lowe and Fardy were the four standout players.
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