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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby Ruckedtobits » March 7th, 2019, 12:31 am

+1 @hugonaut.
It's a very hard world in Pro rugby, regardless of the quality of the opposition as a team. Talking to players theyll tell you that although teams like Zebre or Kings may not be going great, they both have second and back-row forwards built like WWF guys, except they hit you to hurt. There are a lots of hard men through the Pro14, always on the lookout from a serious hit on the Leinster "kids".

Doris is very durable and maybe he'll end up like Stander, the Ultra carrier. Deegan is full of skills and whatever doubts there are, concern his hardness and durability. They've both matched all expectations this year so far, but there are more boxes to tick before they finish.

But think Skinstad (Deegan) and Berger (Doris) rather than parallels or comparisons from these shores. We want them to play a decade of top, hard, rugby, not 3 years of glittering stardom.
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby Oldschool » March 7th, 2019, 8:23 am

Ruckedtobits wrote:+1 @hugonaut.
It's a very hard world in Pro rugby, regardless of the quality of the opposition as a team. Talking to players theyll tell you that although teams like Zebre or Kings may not be going great, they both have second and back-row forwards built like WWF guys, except they hit you to hurt. There are a lots of hard men through the Pro14, always on the lookout from a serious hit on the Leinster "kids".

Doris is very durable and maybe he'll end up like Stander, the Ultra carrier. Deegan is full of skills and whatever doubts there are, concern his hardness and durability. They've both matched all expectations this year so far, but there are more boxes to tick before they finish.

But think Skinstad (Deegan) and Berger (Doris) rather than parallels or comparisons from these shores. We want them to play a decade of top, hard, rugby, not 3 years of glittering stardom.

Amen to all of that.
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby backrower8 » March 7th, 2019, 6:36 pm

OTT wrote:I am a big fan of both Deegan and Doris but just to be fair to Doris at the same age (just before his 21st birthday) Deegan had only started 2 games for Leinster. Maybe your expectations of Doris at his age are to high?


When Deegan was in his maiden season (16-17) he was 5 months younger than Doris started this season and he was competing with Jamie & Jack for the 8 jersey and who between them started 19 times with 3 bench appearances and soaked over 1,500 minutes. So there wasn't much room at the Inn. Whereas this year there has only been Jack (9 starts) and Max (3 starts at #8) to contend with.

My expectations are unduly raised by the repeated chattering of Doris as rugby deity in the media. The second he was selected at 8 and Deegan wasn't it was presented as "he has surpassed Deegan" who was on "a sticky wicket" and in danger of being "moved on". All of which was hyperbole when it was first printed and shown to be so across the season.

Hope Doris does really well. So far so reasonably good all things considered...but no more than that for me just yet.

I would even consider sacrificing Josh Murphy for him if it was a straight choice, but he hasn't even convincedme of that yet and I think Josh has stagnated this year. (I presume it is tricky being in final Med and being a pro player).
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby ronk » March 9th, 2019, 12:53 pm

We also had Jordi Murphy and SOB as options there
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby mildlyinterested » March 9th, 2019, 2:15 pm

ronk wrote:We also had Jordi Murphy and SOB as options there


did we really though?
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby hugonaut » March 21st, 2019, 8:42 am

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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby mildlyinterested » March 21st, 2019, 8:57 am

at least Deegan seems to be content with his progress.
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby Ruckedtobits » March 21st, 2019, 11:10 am

Interesting perspective. He clearly understands that when entered the Leinster Senior back-row world, multi-populated with current Irish internationals, there was no chance of jumping the queue for game time. Possibly he might have progressed faster elsewhere, but would he have developed as well, or learned as much about positions 6 and 7?

Conan has taken far longer to become as effective a player at international level as iappeared possible when he debuted at Provincial level. Even his (Conan's) cameo against Wales now suggests that Stander's most effective position for his future Irish career may be No 6, not 8, with PO'M and Tadgh Beirne also serious candidates for that jersey, Conan and Deegan regularly in the same backrow offers interesting options, not least for attacking ball-carrying.

Deegan might be seen in the Farrell Head Coach era as one of the possible Irish bench options for the back-row.

He's possibly closer that he thinks, but still a long road from perfection.
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby backrower8 » March 21st, 2019, 6:41 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Interesting perspective. He clearly understands that when entered the Leinster Senior back-row world, multi-populated with current Irish internationals, there was no chance of jumping the queue for game time. Possibly he might have progressed faster elsewhere, but would he have developed as well, or learned as much about positions 6 and 7?

Conan has taken far longer to become as effective a player at international level as iappeared possible when he debuted at Provincial level. Even his (Conan's) cameo against Wales now suggests that Stander's most effective position for his future Irish career may be No 6, not 8, with PO'M and Tadgh Beirne also serious candidates for that jersey, Conan and Deegan regularly in the same backrow offers interesting options, not least for attacking ball-carrying.

Deegan might be seen in the Farrell Head Coach era as one of the possible Irish bench options for the back-row.

He's possibly closer that he thinks, but still a long road from perfection.


:happy clapper: He is a special one. Not the finished article, but right on track and ready for a break-through soon.

Our international back row has been blunt for a long time through POM (the boi can jump but not carry) & CJ the South African battering ram, work-horse, 8. We can do better with players developed here.
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Re: Leinster's Backrow Options

Postby betty swallocks » March 23rd, 2019, 11:24 am

Is Max Deegan tied down contractually for next season?
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