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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Morf » October 17th, 2019, 2:38 pm

mildlyinterested wrote:TRIES:
7 - Gavin Mullin(Centre/21)
7 - Dan Sheehan(Hooker/21)
5 - Paddy Patterson(Scrumhalf/20)
4 - Andrew Smith(Wing/U20)
3 - Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/19), Jack Kelly(Fullback/21), Ronan Watters(Backrow/20), Niall Comerford(Wing/U20), Rob Russell(Wing-Fullback/20)
2 - Liam Turner(Centre/20), Adam La Grue(Centre-Wing/U21), Ramon Salanoa(TH Prop/U23),Ronan Foley(Backrow/22), Tommy O'Brien(Centre/21), Bobby Sheehan(Hooker/U20).
1 - Jack Aungier(TH Prop/20), Bryan Byrne(Hooker/26), Mark Hernan(Openside/U20), Michael Milne(LH Prop/20), Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20), Tom Clarkson(TH Prop/U20), Rowan Osborne(Scrumhalf/23), Jack Dunne(Lock/20), Oisin Dowling(Lock-Blindside/22), Penalty try 1

CONS: Harry Byrne(Outhalf/20) 15, Rob Russell(Fullback/U21) 11, James Tarrant(Outhalf/U21) 7, Conor Kelly(Outhalf/20) 5, Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20) 3, Pen try con


Any player(s) who you feel really advanced their position in the eyes of coaches over the Celtic Cup run?
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby blockhead » October 17th, 2019, 9:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYqbEhk5pVg

Awful video.
Could we not do better.
You know I'm going to lose,
And gambling's for fools,
But that's the way I like it baby, I don't want to live FOREVER!
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » October 17th, 2019, 10:25 pm

blockhead wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYqbEhk5pVg

Awful video.
Could we not do better.

What on earth was that, terrible video
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » October 17th, 2019, 10:28 pm

Anyone have any news on Mark Hernan ? He played outstanding for Michael’s in the cup and haven’t seen much of him since, anyone know how he’s getting on these days? Would have liked to seen him play in the Celtic Cup
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » October 17th, 2019, 10:30 pm

Anyone have any news on Mark Hernan ? He played outstanding for Michael’s in the cup and haven’t seen much of him since, anyone know how he’s getting on these days? Would have liked to seen him play in the Celtic Cup
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Purist98 » October 18th, 2019, 12:02 am

Pilotman123 wrote:Anyone have any news on Mark Hernan ? He played outstanding for Michael’s in the cup and haven’t seen much of him since, anyone know how he’s getting on these days? Would have liked to seen him play in the Celtic Cup

He played the first two games and did well, then got injured, not sure if he's back yet, will play Lansdowne 20s when he's fit and probably be in Ireland 20s camp too
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby mildlyinterested » October 18th, 2019, 10:06 am

Jack Kelly got injured also, otherwise he'd have featured at 15 through to the final.. unsure his status now.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby hugonaut » October 18th, 2019, 8:03 pm

Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:TRIES:
7 - Gavin Mullin(Centre/21)
7 - Dan Sheehan(Hooker/21)
5 - Paddy Patterson(Scrumhalf/20)
4 - Andrew Smith(Wing/U20)
3 - Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/19), Jack Kelly(Fullback/21), Ronan Watters(Backrow/20), Niall Comerford(Wing/U20), Rob Russell(Wing-Fullback/20)
2 - Liam Turner(Centre/20), Adam La Grue(Centre-Wing/U21), Ramon Salanoa(TH Prop/U23),Ronan Foley(Backrow/22), Tommy O'Brien(Centre/21), Bobby Sheehan(Hooker/U20).
1 - Jack Aungier(TH Prop/20), Bryan Byrne(Hooker/26), Mark Hernan(Openside/U20), Michael Milne(LH Prop/20), Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20), Tom Clarkson(TH Prop/U20), Rowan Osborne(Scrumhalf/23), Jack Dunne(Lock/20), Oisin Dowling(Lock-Blindside/22), Penalty try 1

CONS: Harry Byrne(Outhalf/20) 15, Rob Russell(Fullback/U21) 11, James Tarrant(Outhalf/U21) 7, Conor Kelly(Outhalf/20) 5, Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20) 3, Pen try con


Any player(s) who you feel really advanced their position in the eyes of coaches over the Celtic Cup run?


For me, the two stand-outs would be the two first names on that list, Mullin and Sheehan. Everybody knows that Tommy O'Brien is class – he's held up as an exemplar in the academy and is Pro14-ready, so it's no news when he plays well.

Mullin has upped his game massively in this tournament and looks confident and sure of himself with the ball and without it.

Sheehan isn't as pro-ready as Ronan Kelleher – there's only about 8 months between them – and I think his rate of progress will be slower and a little more measured; similar to Jack McGrath vs Cian Healy [hopefully]. But he has got a lot of potential: he's not a transplant to the position, so he already has experience and some of the nuances of a hooker. But he actually carries the ball like a No8 ... quick off the mark, impactful and a good handler.

Ryan Baird is an outstandingly athletic prospect and will be a super left-side lock in the Victor Matfield mould. That's not to say that he'll be as good a player as Matfield [one of the greatest ever], but in terms of a prototype to model his game and development on, I think the comparison is a good fit. He moves so well for such a tall guy, he's got a pair of spring heels and he is naturally fit. He can run all day.

Harry Byrne is very, very talented. He has the quick feet that Ross lacks, kicks the ball beautifully and has all the passes. The only questions around him at this early stage of his development is if he has grit and if he can lead. There are always going to be bumps in the road as an outhalf.

Liam Turner is definitely worth keeping an eye on. He may be short, but he's quick, tough and just a good rugby player. Good handler, good lines, good instincts.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » October 18th, 2019, 8:32 pm

hugonaut wrote:
Morf wrote:
mildlyinterested wrote:TRIES:
7 - Gavin Mullin(Centre/21)
7 - Dan Sheehan(Hooker/21)
5 - Paddy Patterson(Scrumhalf/20)
4 - Andrew Smith(Wing/U20)
3 - Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/19), Jack Kelly(Fullback/21), Ronan Watters(Backrow/20), Niall Comerford(Wing/U20), Rob Russell(Wing-Fullback/20)
2 - Liam Turner(Centre/20), Adam La Grue(Centre-Wing/U21), Ramon Salanoa(TH Prop/U23),Ronan Foley(Backrow/22), Tommy O'Brien(Centre/21), Bobby Sheehan(Hooker/U20).
1 - Jack Aungier(TH Prop/20), Bryan Byrne(Hooker/26), Mark Hernan(Openside/U20), Michael Milne(LH Prop/20), Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20), Tom Clarkson(TH Prop/U20), Rowan Osborne(Scrumhalf/23), Jack Dunne(Lock/20), Oisin Dowling(Lock-Blindside/22), Penalty try 1

CONS: Harry Byrne(Outhalf/20) 15, Rob Russell(Fullback/U21) 11, James Tarrant(Outhalf/U21) 7, Conor Kelly(Outhalf/20) 5, Paddy McKenzie(Outhalf/U20) 3, Pen try con


Any player(s) who you feel really advanced their position in the eyes of coaches over the Celtic Cup run?


For me, the two stand-outs would be the two first names on that list, Mullin and Sheehan. Everybody knows that Tommy O'Brien is class – he's held up as an exemplar in the academy and is Pro14-ready, so it's no news when he plays well.

Mullin has upped his game massively in this tournament and looks confident and sure of himself with the ball and without it.

Sheehan isn't as pro-ready as Ronan Kelleher – there's only about 8 months between them – and I think his rate of progress will be slower and a little more measured; similar to Jack McGrath vs Cian Healy [hopefully]. But he has got a lot of potential: he's not a transplant to the position, so he already has experience and some of the nuances of a hooker. But he actually carries the ball like a No8 ... quick off the mark, impactful and a good handler.

Ryan Baird is an outstandingly athletic prospect and will be a super left-side lock in the Victor Matfield mould. That's not to say that he'll be as good a player as Matfield [one of the greatest ever], but in terms of a prototype to model his game and development on, I think the comparison is a good fit. He moves so well for such a tall guy, he's got a pair of spring heels and he is naturally fit. He can run all day.

Harry Byrne is very, very talented. He has the quick feet that Ross lacks, kicks the ball beautifully and has all the passes. The only questions around him at this early stage of his development is if he has grit and if he can lead. There are always going to be bumps in the road as an outhalf.

Liam Turner is definitely worth keeping an eye on. He may be short, but he's quick, tough and just a good rugby player. Good handler, good lines, good instincts.

Ryan Baird was rated better than James Ryan was when he was in school so it’s very exciting times ahead and I wouldn’t be surprised if Baird turns out to be better than Ryan
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby neiliog93 » October 18th, 2019, 9:15 pm

Yeah, I'd love a big fat cu** of a lock to come through, proper 6'8" 120-130kg brawler, would give us a bit of tighthead lock meanness to complete our second row attributes.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Pilotman123 » October 18th, 2019, 9:49 pm

neiliog93 wrote:Yeah, I'd love a big fat cu** of a lock to come through, proper 6'8" 120-130kg brawler, would give us a bit of tighthead lock meanness to complete our second row attributes.

?? We don’t need that thanks
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Morf » October 18th, 2019, 11:42 pm

neiliog93 wrote:Yeah, I'd love a big fat cu** of a lock to come through, proper 6'8" 120-130kg brawler, would give us a bit of tighthead lock meanness to complete our second row attributes.


Last Irish prospect in that mould was John Madigan, no?
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby neiliog93 » October 18th, 2019, 11:51 pm

Darren O'Shea has the size but not the grit or brute strength.

Think Damian Browne's bulk plus a couple of inches in height, and then add in even slightly more athleticism.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Ruckedtobits » October 19th, 2019, 10:28 am

Pilotman123 wrote:
hugonaut wrote:
For me, the two stand-outs would be the two first names on that list, Mullin and Sheehan. Everybody knows that Tommy O'Brien is class – he's held up as an exemplar in the academy and is Pro14-ready, so it's no news when he plays well.

Mullin has upped his game massively in this tournament and looks confident and sure of himself with the ball and without it.

Sheehan isn't as pro-ready as Ronan Kelleher – there's only about 8 months between them – and I think his rate of progress will be slower and a little more measured; similar to Jack McGrath vs Cian Healy [hopefully]. But he has got a lot of potential: he's not a transplant to the position, so he already has experience and some of the nuances of a hooker. But he actually carries the ball like a No8 ... quick off the mark, impactful and a good handler.

Ryan Baird is an outstandingly athletic prospect and will be a super left-side lock in the Victor Matfield mould. That's not to say that he'll be as good a player as Matfield [one of the greatest ever], but in terms of a prototype to model his game and development on, I think the comparison is a good fit. He moves so well for such a tall guy, he's got a pair of spring heels and he is naturally fit. He can run all day.

Harry Byrne is very, very talented. He has the quick feet that Ross lacks, kicks the ball beautifully and has all the passes. The only questions around him at this early stage of his development is if he has grit and if he can lead. There are always going to be bumps in the road as an outhalf.

Liam Turner is definitely worth keeping an eye on. He may be short, but he's quick, tough and just a good rugby player. Good handler, good lines, good instincts.

Ryan Baird was rated better than James Ryan was when he was in school so it’s very exciting times ahead and I wouldn’t be surprised if Baird turns out to be better than Ryan


Not by anybody who knows what's required for pro rugby. Baird was always recognised as a superb athletic specimen but it was only in the second-half of last Season that he began to apply his skills and physique to the benefit of the team around him, rather than his own reputation.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Twist » October 21st, 2019, 2:07 pm

What do you (or anyone else) make of Charlie Ryan? I think it bodes well that a Yr 1 guy gets entrusted with the captaincy so much. He's 6'7 at 20 years of age too.
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby neiliog93 » October 21st, 2019, 8:31 pm

Twist wrote:What do you (or anyone else) make of Charlie Ryan? I think it bodes well that a Yr 1 guy gets entrusted with the captaincy so much. He's 6'7 at 20 years of age too.


Excellent player, lovely touches, good in the line-out, good mobility, seems to be a real leader. Will never be an enforcer though - much more in the Matfield rather than Botha mould physically (not trying to big him up at all, more describing his prototype).
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby riocard911 » October 21st, 2019, 11:49 pm

neiliog93 wrote:
Twist wrote:What do you (or anyone else) make of Charlie Ryan? I think it bodes well that a Yr 1 guy gets entrusted with the captaincy so much. He's 6'7 at 20 years of age too.


Excellent player, lovely touches, good in the line-out, good mobility, seems to be a real leader. Will never be an enforcer though - much more in the Matfield rather than Botha mould physically (not trying to big him up at all, more describing his prototype).


Matfield wasn't an enforcer? Who knew?
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Morf » October 22nd, 2019, 2:23 am

riocard911 wrote:
neiliog93 wrote:
Twist wrote:What do you (or anyone else) make of Charlie Ryan? I think it bodes well that a Yr 1 guy gets entrusted with the captaincy so much. He's 6'7 at 20 years of age too.


Excellent player, lovely touches, good in the line-out, good mobility, seems to be a real leader. Will never be an enforcer though - much more in the Matfield rather than Botha mould physically (not trying to big him up at all, more describing his prototype).


Matfield wasn't an enforcer? Who knew?


More a piano tuner than a piano shifter assuredly :wink:
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Twist » October 22nd, 2019, 10:46 am

Morf wrote:
riocard911 wrote:
neiliog93 wrote:
Excellent player, lovely touches, good in the line-out, good mobility, seems to be a real leader. Will never be an enforcer though - much more in the Matfield rather than Botha mould physically (not trying to big him up at all, more describing his prototype).


Matfield wasn't an enforcer? Who knew?


More a piano tuner than a piano shifter assuredly :wink:


I wonder, how would a second row pairing of two Matfields or two Bothas have got on?
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Re: Celtic Cup 19/20

Postby Morf » October 23rd, 2019, 1:44 am

Twist wrote:I wonder, how would a second row pairing of two Matfields or two Bothas have got on?


A pairing of two Bakkies is basically a French 2nd row with jumping backrows.
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