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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Ruckedtobits » December 22nd, 2019, 8:43 am

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:It was a pity about the end alright but I find it hard to be unhappy after we built up such a big lead and played some great rugby. Credit to Ulster for not giving up either. That team was sent up as canon fodder and suffered an unlucky yellow card (IMO), an early injury that forced them to play a 19 year old, and a horrible injury to Curtis yet they showed a lot of heart and a fair amount of quality to put up a big score themselves.

Loved the tempo we started with and we played some great stuff with lots of variety. Everyone was getting their hands on the ball and Ulster never knew where the threat was coming from either with ball in hand or through the boot. I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second. We often hear that the opposition don't know what a player is going to do but the problem is that his own team mates don't either, but Byrne isn't like that, players seem to love playing off him.

Josh Murphy was much better than I thought he could be in the second row. His work rate was off the charts and he seemed to really step up as a leader.

Porter had one really freakish sack at the lineout. It wasn't called in advance but he was alive to it and aborted a lift to make it. Incredible strength to manage it the way he did and particularly impressive to do it so close to our line.

Connors was fine but we certainly didn't see the best of him as a 6, early days though.

Dooley looked very lively and powerful, would love to see him kick on in the next two games and then appear in both European games.

I thought Deegan was quite mixed. He was excellent for the most part, looked really dynamic and hungry to be involved, but there were some annoying errors and he does fall off quite a few tackles that others have to complete for him.

I know there'll be tougher tests but I was massively impressed by Salanoa. His scrummaging technique looked a bit funny but he seemed to have the power to cope with what was thrown at him and looked really comfortable. He twice wrapped Ulster players up and threw them backwards, and had two very big hits. He was well able to keep up with play, knew where to be (good pillar defence for example), and was quick to hit rucks, which might be a low bar to set but considering the guy only started playing a couple of years ago I would say that that's really encouraging. Even the way he stepped in at 9 and threw a nice pass showed that he has a good rugby brain and a bit of skill, he's definitely not just an athlete, there's a rugby player in there too. That's a good base to work from but even with me being impressed you could see that he was a bit lost on their maul try and one of those big hits I mentioned resulted in him leaving a hole beside him. And he didn't carry and we couldn't see what his basics like ball presentation are like but all things considered (including that he was only a late call up and was making his pro debut) I thought he was superb.


+1, particularly re Dooley and Murphy.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby joooooe » December 22nd, 2019, 9:15 am

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second.


He reminds me of Cipriani in that respect
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » December 22nd, 2019, 10:02 am

don't disagree with a lot of the comments on here about the game.
thought both sides showed signs of a bright future for Irish rugby....if they get quality game time and a chance to improve. Can't help but wonder if the argument for a 5th irish side makes sense. even if it is in the english premiership
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Pilotman123 » December 22nd, 2019, 11:36 am

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:don't disagree with a lot of the comments on here about the game.
thought both sides showed signs of a bright future for Irish rugby....if they get quality game time and a chance to improve. Can't help but wonder if the argument for a 5th irish side makes sense. even if it is in the english premiership

They should make London Irish a fifth Irish team and make the team completely Irish
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Pilotman123 » December 22nd, 2019, 11:39 am

Ruckedtobits wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:It was a pity about the end alright but I find it hard to be unhappy after we built up such a big lead and played some great rugby. Credit to Ulster for not giving up either. That team was sent up as canon fodder and suffered an unlucky yellow card (IMO), an early injury that forced them to play a 19 year old, and a horrible injury to Curtis yet they showed a lot of heart and a fair amount of quality to put up a big score themselves.

Loved the tempo we started with and we played some great stuff with lots of variety. Everyone was getting their hands on the ball and Ulster never knew where the threat was coming from either with ball in hand or through the boot. I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second. We often hear that the opposition don't know what a player is going to do but the problem is that his own team mates don't either, but Byrne isn't like that, players seem to love playing off him.

Josh Murphy was much better than I thought he could be in the second row. His work rate was off the charts and he seemed to really step up as a leader.

Porter had one really freakish sack at the lineout. It wasn't called in advance but he was alive to it and aborted a lift to make it. Incredible strength to manage it the way he did and particularly impressive to do it so close to our line.

Connors was fine but we certainly didn't see the best of him as a 6, early days though.

Dooley looked very lively and powerful, would love to see him kick on in the next two games and then appear in both European games.

I thought Deegan was quite mixed. He was excellent for the most part, looked really dynamic and hungry to be involved, but there were some annoying errors and he does fall off quite a few tackles that others have to complete for him.

I know there'll be tougher tests but I was massively impressed by Salanoa. His scrummaging technique looked a bit funny but he seemed to have the power to cope with what was thrown at him and looked really comfortable. He twice wrapped Ulster players up and threw them backwards, and had two very big hits. He was well able to keep up with play, knew where to be (good pillar defence for example), and was quick to hit rucks, which might be a low bar to set but considering the guy only started playing a couple of years ago I would say that that's really encouraging. Even the way he stepped in at 9 and threw a nice pass showed that he has a good rugby brain and a bit of skill, he's definitely not just an athlete, there's a rugby player in there too. That's a good base to work from but even with me being impressed you could see that he was a bit lost on their maul try and one of those big hits I mentioned resulted in him leaving a hole beside him. And he didn't carry and we couldn't see what his basics like ball presentation are like but all things considered (including that he was only a late call up and was making his pro debut) I thought he was superb.


+1, particularly re Dooley and Murphy.

Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » December 22nd, 2019, 12:01 pm

joooooe wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second.


He reminds me of Cipriani in that respect


Yeah he was one of the players I was thinking of but felt it might be insulting to mention him :lol:

I can still remember seeing him in the RDS and even sitting in the stand it was impossible to read him.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby cormac » December 22nd, 2019, 1:15 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago


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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby CiaranIrl » December 22nd, 2019, 2:14 pm

At the end of the day though, 30 missed tackles isn't good enough: https://bit.ly/2sb8vQX

We seriously need to sharpen up there. A few very bad intercepted passes as well. Not just in this game - we were loose against the Saints as well. Better teams will hurt us if we don't sort it out.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Jonny tight lips » December 22nd, 2019, 2:19 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:It was a pity about the end alright but I find it hard to be unhappy after we built up such a big lead and played some great rugby. Credit to Ulster for not giving up either. That team was sent up as canon fodder and suffered an unlucky yellow card (IMO), an early injury that forced them to play a 19 year old, and a horrible injury to Curtis yet they showed a lot of heart and a fair amount of quality to put up a big score themselves.

Loved the tempo we started with and we played some great stuff with lots of variety. Everyone was getting their hands on the ball and Ulster never knew where the threat was coming from either with ball in hand or through the boot. I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second. We often hear that the opposition don't know what a player is going to do but the problem is that his own team mates don't either, but Byrne isn't like that, players seem to love playing off him.

Josh Murphy was much better than I thought he could be in the second row. His work rate was off the charts and he seemed to really step up as a leader.

Porter had one really freakish sack at the lineout. It wasn't called in advance but he was alive to it and aborted a lift to make it. Incredible strength to manage it the way he did and particularly impressive to do it so close to our line.

Connors was fine but we certainly didn't see the best of him as a 6, early days though.

Dooley looked very lively and powerful, would love to see him kick on in the next two games and then appear in both European games.

I thought Deegan was quite mixed. He was excellent for the most part, looked really dynamic and hungry to be involved, but there were some annoying errors and he does fall off quite a few tackles that others have to complete for him.

I know there'll be tougher tests but I was massively impressed by Salanoa. His scrummaging technique looked a bit funny but he seemed to have the power to cope with what was thrown at him and looked really comfortable. He twice wrapped Ulster players up and threw them backwards, and had two very big hits. He was well able to keep up with play, knew where to be (good pillar defence for example), and was quick to hit rucks, which might be a low bar to set but considering the guy only started playing a couple of years ago I would say that that's really encouraging. Even the way he stepped in at 9 and threw a nice pass showed that he has a good rugby brain and a bit of skill, he's definitely not just an athlete, there's a rugby player in there too. That's a good base to work from but even with me being impressed you could see that he was a bit lost on their maul try and one of those big hits I mentioned resulted in him leaving a hole beside him. And he didn't carry and we couldn't see what his basics like ball presentation are like but all things considered (including that he was only a late call up and was making his pro debut) I thought he was superb.


+1, particularly re Dooley and Murphy.

Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago


A couple would normally be two?
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby joooooe » December 22nd, 2019, 2:23 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:It was a pity about the end alright but I find it hard to be unhappy after we built up such a big lead and played some great rugby. Credit to Ulster for not giving up either. That team was sent up as canon fodder and suffered an unlucky yellow card (IMO), an early injury that forced them to play a 19 year old, and a horrible injury to Curtis yet they showed a lot of heart and a fair amount of quality to put up a big score themselves.

Loved the tempo we started with and we played some great stuff with lots of variety. Everyone was getting their hands on the ball and Ulster never knew where the threat was coming from either with ball in hand or through the boot. I say this every time I see Harry Byrne play but when he has the ball he seems to be able to pick out whatever skill/decision is required. He can look set to do one thing but then another option appears and he's able to take it at the last second. We often hear that the opposition don't know what a player is going to do but the problem is that his own team mates don't either, but Byrne isn't like that, players seem to love playing off him.

Josh Murphy was much better than I thought he could be in the second row. His work rate was off the charts and he seemed to really step up as a leader.

Porter had one really freakish sack at the lineout. It wasn't called in advance but he was alive to it and aborted a lift to make it. Incredible strength to manage it the way he did and particularly impressive to do it so close to our line.

Connors was fine but we certainly didn't see the best of him as a 6, early days though.

Dooley looked very lively and powerful, would love to see him kick on in the next two games and then appear in both European games.

I thought Deegan was quite mixed. He was excellent for the most part, looked really dynamic and hungry to be involved, but there were some annoying errors and he does fall off quite a few tackles that others have to complete for him.

I know there'll be tougher tests but I was massively impressed by Salanoa. His scrummaging technique looked a bit funny but he seemed to have the power to cope with what was thrown at him and looked really comfortable. He twice wrapped Ulster players up and threw them backwards, and had two very big hits. He was well able to keep up with play, knew where to be (good pillar defence for example), and was quick to hit rucks, which might be a low bar to set but considering the guy only started playing a couple of years ago I would say that that's really encouraging. Even the way he stepped in at 9 and threw a nice pass showed that he has a good rugby brain and a bit of skill, he's definitely not just an athlete, there's a rugby player in there too. That's a good base to work from but even with me being impressed you could see that he was a bit lost on their maul try and one of those big hits I mentioned resulted in him leaving a hole beside him. And he didn't carry and we couldn't see what his basics like ball presentation are like but all things considered (including that he was only a late call up and was making his pro debut) I thought he was superb.


+1, particularly re Dooley and Murphy.

Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago


There it is at last. Proof that Pilotman is just a troll.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby arsebiscuits1 » December 22nd, 2019, 3:25 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:

Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago


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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby neiliog93 » December 22nd, 2019, 4:19 pm

Salanoa played high school rugby in the USA (while focusing more on American Football), hardly a very high level but he does have some playing experience.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Jonny tight lips » December 22nd, 2019, 5:38 pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote:
Pilotman123 wrote:

Salanoa only started playing rugby 2 years ago, not “ a couple” of years ago


Hey guys leave him off. Me and my 4 girlfriends are the happiest couple ever


Give it time
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » December 22nd, 2019, 7:50 pm

Pilotman123 wrote:
MylesNaGapoleen wrote:don't disagree with a lot of the comments on here about the game.
thought both sides showed signs of a bright future for Irish rugby....if they get quality game time and a chance to improve. Can't help but wonder if the argument for a 5th irish side makes sense. even if it is in the english premiership

They should make London Irish a fifth Irish team and make the team completely Irish

If possible, it makes a lot of sense. Irish living there would get behind them again, like they did back in the day when the backbone of the team really was irish. London Irish prIvately owned?
When you see ex leinster players like cooney (ulster) and beirne (munster) on fire...it makes you wonder how many others slipped through the net because of lack of proper game time. Fair enough Beirne went to scarlets and then Munster but still.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » December 22nd, 2019, 8:45 pm

joooooe wrote:There it is at last. Proof that Pilotman is just a troll.


Probably not worth flagging anywhere but may as well mention it here. I've long thought that Pilotman and Backrower8 are the same person and now I'm almost certain of it.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby OTT » December 22nd, 2019, 10:13 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:
joooooe wrote:There it is at last. Proof that Pilotman is just a troll.


Probably not worth flagging anywhere but may as well mention it here. I've long thought that Pilotman and Backrower8 are the same person and now I'm almost certain of it.



You don’t fall for the posts where BR8 pretends to admonish pilotman when he makes one of his outrageous posts?
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Oldschoolsocks » December 22nd, 2019, 10:15 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:
joooooe wrote:There it is at last. Proof that Pilotman is just a troll.


Probably not worth flagging anywhere but may as well mention it here. I've long thought that Pilotman and Backrower8 are the same person and now I'm almost certain of it.


Hmmm... have they ever been seen together??
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Dave Cahill » December 22nd, 2019, 11:33 pm

OTT wrote:
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:
joooooe wrote:There it is at last. Proof that Pilotman is just a troll.


Probably not worth flagging anywhere but may as well mention it here. I've long thought that Pilotman and Backrower8 are the same person and now I'm almost certain of it.



You don’t fall for the posts where BR8 pretends to admonish pilotman when he makes one of his outrageous posts?
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby blockhead » December 23rd, 2019, 1:17 am

Dave Cahill wrote:A friend of mine once had a multi page thread on mf.com entirely composed of his various accounts arguing with each other

Can't be johng because, well let's face it, he couldn't be boverred.
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Re: Leinster v Ulster Friday 19.35

Postby Dave Cahill » December 23rd, 2019, 1:51 am

blockhead wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:A friend of mine once had a multi page thread on mf.com entirely composed of his various accounts arguing with each other

Can't be johng because, well let's face it, he couldn't be boverred.
Must be the other lad, Jason.


twas neither! I have more than two friends*




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