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Comer Toes wrote:Danthefan wrote:Retire please.
Disastrous cameo that will haunt him for the rest of his days... but "retire please"?? What would be the point of that? Typical silly comment.
munster#1 wrote:hook in at centre would of made more sense no need to disrupt the back line that much then, he is pretty good in centre that way jones could of stayed where he was, hate to say it but we could of done with monye on the benchtrue blue 06 wrote:so much for that lucozade he's taking. awful display at the end. shocking.... philips should have gone wing or centre and ellis should have come on...not o'gara
suisse wrote:Hmmmm...... interesting post. Ronan O'Gara has always held a love-hate relationship with the rugby fans in this country, and yesterday will certainly add weight to the calls for him to be beheaded instantly. I've never been truely won over by him, and I think he has certainly been a darling of the media for the past decade, whereas true warriors of the game here, such as BOD, have had mud kicked in their faces many times in that period. His honesty in press conferences is rarely backed up with performances of note. His career is marked by moments of outstanding success, such as Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, Heineken Cups and Magners Leagues. However, there are also serious moments of disappointment such as the World Cup in 2007 and individual games like the England one this season for ROG to ever be considered a world class player.
However, if ROG retires, we are losing a 90 capped international, a seasoned and experienced pro with 3 Lions tours under his belt, plus numerous Championship and Heineken Cup campaigns. We can't afford to lose ROG. Why? Because who the f%~k else is there? Jonny "The Great White Hope" Sexton, who has really only contributed to 3 matches this season (one of those as a sub, and another against the Scarlets), and STILL uncapped. How can true rugby fans justify calling for him to resign in a position Ireland doesn't produce talent? We're not NZ, or SA, or France ffs. If France lose Freddie, they still have Beauxais, Skrela, JBE and Trinh-Duc. Who do we have? The uncapped Sexton and.................................................? Wake up for f%~k sake
suisse wrote:Hmmmm...... interesting post. Ronan O'Gara has always held a love-hate relationship with the rugby fans in this country, and yesterday will certainly add weight to the calls for him to be beheaded instantly. I've never been truely won over by him, and I think he has certainly been a darling of the media for the past decade, whereas true warriors of the game here, such as BOD, have had mud kicked in their faces many times in that period. His honesty in press conferences is rarely backed up with performances of note. His career is marked by moments of outstanding success, such as Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, Heineken Cups and Magners Leagues. However, there are also serious moments of disappointment such as the World Cup in 2007 and individual games like the England one this season for ROG to ever be considered a world class player.
However, if ROG retires, we are losing a 90 capped international, a seasoned and experienced pro with 3 Lions tours under his belt, plus numerous Championship and Heineken Cup campaigns. We can't afford to lose ROG. Why? Because who the f%~k else is there? Jonny "The Great White Hope" Sexton, who has really only contributed to 3 matches this season (one of those as a sub, and another against the Scarlets), and STILL uncapped. How can true rugby fans justify calling for him to resign in a position Ireland doesn't produce talent? We're not NZ, or SA, or France ffs. If France lose Freddie, they still have Beauxais, Skrela, JBE and Trinh-Duc. Who do we have? The uncapped Sexton and.................................................? Wake up for f%~k sake
munster#1 wrote:foz_e_bear wrote:Calling for his retirement may sound harsh but to be fair it' a last straw kind of thing. I know I'm bias – I can't stand ROG and think he's got away with far too much over the last few years – but I do think he's no longer up to the job. He's done a lot for Irish rugby but his standard has dropped well short of the mark. Yes he got the drop goal in Wales, but look at his pros and cons over the 6 nations and you'll see the cons way outweigh the pros. It would be unfair to blame the loss solely on OG, but Jesus giving away a silly penno in the last minute, he has to be somewhat culpable. This is not just Leinster bias, I spoke to a dedicated Munster fan this morning who criticized Geech for having him even on the bench. He steps away from legitimate tackles yet gets involved in illegal ones. Ask Rob, BOD, Shaw, Roberts, Jones etc, after all the hard work and sublime talent they showed, do they blame him, and away from the cameras I can guarantee they'll rue his lack of thought for many a year to come. Calling for his retirement may seem cold, but that is a career defining moment, and he failed, yes he had good times, but he's cost Ireland, Munster and now the Lions as many games as he's saved. Sexon isn't the finished artical yet, but he's a bigger talent even at this developmental stage of his career than ROG is.
that's a great idea, i think he should retire too so then we loose 1 of the best kickers of the ball 1 of the best passers of the ball and the man who holds every record he could in europe, then bring in a young lad who has great potential hope he turns into the player we think he will and if he doesn't we can always bring ROG off the bench oh wait he's retired, so lets bring in keatly or maybe young humphries instead.
if ROG does retire it will be a massive loss to ireland and munster, no way he has lost more games than he has won have you never seen the passes he can trow to put away a runner or how many times he has kicked to the corner straight into an irish hand and then you have his accuracy out of hand to the line he is nowhere near retirement. i agree he is a very weak tackler and i am not his biggest fan either but as it stands there is no1 else, a good international team needs 2 out halves we have 1 and a half.
sexton needs to have o gara there it will push him on to be a better player and visa versa.
besides all that why should he retire he just got picked for the lions and won a grand slam with ireland this year, he should keep playing until he is not picked any more. he could easily play another 3 or 4 years and ireland don't have to pick him you do understand that is an option
sewa wrote:Classy stuff as always Dan.
tones wrote:suisse wrote:Hmmmm...... interesting post. Ronan O'Gara has always held a love-hate relationship with the rugby fans in this country, and yesterday will certainly add weight to the calls for him to be beheaded instantly. I've never been truely won over by him, and I think he has certainly been a darling of the media for the past decade, whereas true warriors of the game here, such as BOD, have had mud kicked in their faces many times in that period. His honesty in press conferences is rarely backed up with performances of note. His career is marked by moments of outstanding success, such as Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, Heineken Cups and Magners Leagues. However, there are also serious moments of disappointment such as the World Cup in 2007 and individual games like the England one this season for ROG to ever be considered a world class player.
However, if ROG retires, we are losing a 90 capped international, a seasoned and experienced pro with 3 Lions tours under his belt, plus numerous Championship and Heineken Cup campaigns. We can't afford to lose ROG. Why? Because who the f%~k else is there? Jonny "The Great White Hope" Sexton, who has really only contributed to 3 matches this season (one of those as a sub, and another against the Scarlets), and STILL uncapped. How can true rugby fans justify calling for him to resign in a position Ireland doesn't produce talent? We're not NZ, or SA, or France ffs. If France lose Freddie, they still have Beauxais, Skrela, JBE and Trinh-Duc. Who do we have? The uncapped Sexton and.................................................? Wake up for f%~k sake
Great post, exactly. I was serious peeved with ROG again as it seemed t be another "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk" moment, but he still has a hell of a lot to offer. Interestingly listening to RTE there and the sports correspondent talking about ROG's great run of form during the 6 nations.....
Oldschool wrote:tones wrote:suisse wrote:Hmmmm...... interesting post. Ronan O'Gara has always held a love-hate relationship with the rugby fans in this country, and yesterday will certainly add weight to the calls for him to be beheaded instantly. I've never been truely won over by him, and I think he has certainly been a darling of the media for the past decade, whereas true warriors of the game here, such as BOD, have had mud kicked in their faces many times in that period. His honesty in press conferences is rarely backed up with performances of note. His career is marked by moments of outstanding success, such as Grand Slams, Triple Crowns, Heineken Cups and Magners Leagues. However, there are also serious moments of disappointment such as the World Cup in 2007 and individual games like the England one this season for ROG to ever be considered a world class player.
However, if ROG retires, we are losing a 90 capped international, a seasoned and experienced pro with 3 Lions tours under his belt, plus numerous Championship and Heineken Cup campaigns. We can't afford to lose ROG. Why? Because who the f%~k else is there? Jonny "The Great White Hope" Sexton, who has really only contributed to 3 matches this season (one of those as a sub, and another against the Scarlets), and STILL uncapped. How can true rugby fans justify calling for him to resign in a position Ireland doesn't produce talent? We're not NZ, or SA, or France ffs. If France lose Freddie, they still have Beauxais, Skrela, JBE and Trinh-Duc. Who do we have? The uncapped Sexton and.................................................? Wake up for f%~k sake
Great post, exactly. I was serious peeved with ROG again as it seemed t be another "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk" moment, but he still has a hell of a lot to offer. Interestingly listening to RTE there and the sports correspondent talking about ROG's great run of form during the 6 nations.....
Ok then spell it out for us.
What exactly is he going to offer in the coming season to Munster and Ireland.
The one restraint I would impose, that you cannot use form that is more than 18 months old.
true blue 06 wrote:sewa wrote:Classy stuff as always Dan.
wonder what you would say if ROG was a leinster player sewa, something similar i'd imagine...so what positive have you managed to take out of ROG's performance?
Oldschool wrote:Ok then spell it out for us.
What exactly is he going to offer in the coming season to Munster and Ireland.
The one restraint I would impose, that you cannot use form that is more than 18 months old.
greengiant wrote: God knows, its bad enough to have to hear Stephen Jones ( I feel dirty just saying those two words ) the hack and the rabblerousing coterie of Irish bashers in the UK media like Barnes and Guscott, without our own jumping on the bandwagon.
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