Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?[/quote]
That's a very carefully phrased question there Sewa
Obviously I could point out 9's and 10's from before that or argue that the running style was not wanted by Ireland a few years back (very fashionable now after Wales and the ABs performance last year), or go through the whole 10 debacles of the last few years. Instead, I'll agree with you that it is odd - but so what? It is not from the want of trying.
(there should be enough in that post for you to find an argument with )
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess[/quote]
Touche.
Getting back into the old Leinster Munster argument here. Point is Ireland badly need 6 - 10. We don't have anything there right now, or if we do EOS won't pick it.
All provinces are potentially in the wrong, putting short gain at the expense of long term success. There are very few players breaking through in Ireland week in week out.
If players want to break from the mould they have to hit the GP. The list of players that all provinces gave up on who are succeeding is outstanding. The provinces are all to blame. Look at Ulster, Humph has as good as retired yet he's keeping 3 / 4 potential Irish OH's from getting a game.
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
That's a very carefully phrased question there Sewa
Obviously I could point out 9's and 10's from before that or argue that the running style was not wanted by Ireland a few years back (very fashionable now after Wales and the ABs performance last year), or go through the whole 10 debacles of the last few years. Instead, I'll agree with you that it is odd - but so what? It is not from the want of trying.
(there should be enough in that post for you to find an argument with )[/quote]
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Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess[/quote]
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. John Hayes, Frankie Sheehan, Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well.
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland. V.Poor effort Dave.
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. John Hayes, Frankie Sheehan, Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well.
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland. V.Poor effort Dave.[/quote]
We'll give you KW on a technicality. As for the rest of your front row, as yet would not class any as International Class. Lot of potential, mind, but not International Class.
Don't even go there on the back row. 666. Why is it so difficult for Munster Fans to understand the difference between a 6 and a 7??
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. John Hayes, Frankie Sheehan, Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well.
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland. V.Poor effort Dave.[/quote]
We'll give you KW on a technicality. As for the rest of your front row, as yet would not class any as International Class. Lot of potential, mind, but not International Class.
Don't even go there on the back row. 666. Why is it so difficult for Munster Fans to understand the difference between a 6 and a 7??
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. Pre-dates the professional era and the Munster bandwagon, which I'm guessing is where you stepped on, or you would have "well known" that John Hayes Club player at best, Frankie Sheehan, Club player at best Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. A Hooker who can't throw and a prop who can't prop! I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well. Well if Munster Eddies in charge, then I don't doubt it
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland...and all were laughably poor, In one case, cost munster the HEC, one will never play for Ireland again, and the other has never been selected at 7 since his one game for Ireland there he was that bad! V.Poor effort Dave.[/quote]
upfront_1979 wrote:Guys is it just me or has munsterfans gone off the air?
Mfans unfortunately has a tendency to crash now & then.. due to it's popularity
can't see that happening here ...
Yes, and some bright visionary on Turnipstanfans was saying a few weeks ago that all our travelling support to Toulouse would fit on one plane. Unless they take 17 Eurostars and put wings on them, I think he'll probably be proven wrong (4000 and counting.....). Similarly, this site has only been up for a couple of weeks - at lunchtime today i think we had 22 people on it - flicked back to Munsterfans and there were less......so there you go. Support base at Leinster is up and coming - which is why our Celtic League attendances are actually slightly ahead of Munster this year - our European Cup attendances have been historically higher for home games of course.....
But don't worry Robbie, we'll let you on our bandwagon....
Dave Cahill wrote:
Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. Pre-dates the professional era and the Munster bandwagon, which I'm guessing is where you stepped on, or you would have "well known" that John Hayes Club player at best, Frankie Sheehan, Club player at best Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. A Hooker who can't throw and a prop who can't prop! I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well. Well if Munster Eddies in charge, then I don't doubt it
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland...and all were laughably poor, In one case, cost munster the HEC, one will never play for Ireland again, and the other has never been selected at 7 since his one game for Ireland there he was that bad! V.Poor effort Dave.
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Quite simply Dave whether you rate them or not these players have all played in the positions of front row and seven for Ireland in the last ten years. Youve yet to name a half back from Leinster because you cant.
sewa wrote:
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. Pre-dates the professional era and the Munster bandwagon, which I'm guessing is where you stepped on, or you would have "well known" that John Hayes Club player at best, Frankie Sheehan, Club player at best Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. A Hooker who can't throw and a prop who can't prop! I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well. Well if Munster Eddies in charge, then I don't doubt it
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland...and all were laughably poor, In one case, cost munster the HEC, one will never play for Ireland again, and the other has never been selected at 7 since his one game for Ireland there he was that bad! V.Poor effort Dave.
Quite simply Dave whether you rate them or not these players have all played in the positions of front row and seven for Ireland in the last ten years. Youve yet to name a half back from Leinster because you cant.[/quote]
Alan McGowan, Ciaran Scally, Niall Hogan for a start
sewa wrote:
It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess
Ehh Keith Wood? Ever heard of him. He is quiet well known. Pre-dates the professional era and the Munster bandwagon, which I'm guessing is where you stepped on, or you would have "well known" that John Hayes Club player at best, Frankie Sheehan, Club player at best Flannery, Marcus Horan all Irish internationals. A Hooker who can't throw and a prop who can't prop! I predict Fogerty and possibly Mushie Buckley will make it in next two years as well. Well if Munster Eddies in charge, then I don't doubt it
By the way David Wallace, Alan Quinlan and Leamy all played seven for ireland...and all were laughably poor, In one case, cost munster the HEC, one will never play for Ireland again, and the other has never been selected at 7 since his one game for Ireland there he was that bad! V.Poor effort Dave.
Quite simply Dave whether you rate them or not these players have all played in the positions of front row and seven for Ireland in the last ten years. Youve yet to name a half back from Leinster because you cant.[/quote]
Guy Easterby and Bommer both played for Ireland while playing for Leinster. Is that simple enough for you?
Now, let's talk about centers and fullbacks from Turnipstan shall we?
Frankly, its a bit of a stupid discussion. Leinster and Ulster have supplied the bulk of our squads over the last 2 or 3 years. We are both largely Irish - as I said, there were only 3 non-Irish on the team to play Bath (one is well on the way to qualification).
The Leinster system didnt produce either of those players. Saying that your correct it is a silly argument. To get back on track Mal shoudlnt even be in the irish panel.
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wont be starting on Sunday flannery is fit.