Ireland V Wales

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 2:49 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
sewa wrote:Look up France vs Ireland verdict. Duff Paddy gave Mal 2/10, Imperial Mongoose gave him 0/10 and Epaddy gave him 0/10. Call MOD a journey man but any journey man could beat that rating off his own teams fans.
No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.

Hmm since your his buddy I didnt expect you to have an objective view. Reread what you compatriot leinster fans thought of his performance and honestly ask yourself if his performance in paris deserved an international cap.

thecoolfreak · Post by **thecoolfreak** » February 22nd, 2006, 2:51 pm

Seen his stats too

i thought that after the france match, the conclusion was come to that stats are useless

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » February 22nd, 2006, 2:54 pm

thecoofreak wrote:
Seen his stats too
i thought that after the france match, the conclusion was come to that stats are useless

Stats aren't useless - line out takes, tackles, offloads etc are very relevant stats. Possession isn't a relevant stat if you always waste it!

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » February 22nd, 2006, 2:55 pm

sewa wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
sewa wrote:Look up France vs Ireland verdict. Duff Paddy gave Mal 2/10, Imperial Mongoose gave him 0/10 and Epaddy gave him 0/10. Call MOD a journey man but any journey man could beat that rating off his own teams fans.
No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.
Hmm since your his buddy I didnt expect you to have an objective view. Reread what you compatriot leinster fans thought of his performance and honestly ask yourself if his performance in paris deserved an international cap.

How would you adress the problem positions of FB, THP, OH and SH Sewa? And what would you do about the back row?

upfront_1979 · Post by **upfront_1979** » February 22nd, 2006, 2:57 pm

You know some of this selection is'nt as insane as I first thought.

1. Murphy in - plays cr@p bring on Girve - I'm Happy, plays well - I'm happy
2. MAL in - plays cr@p bring on MOD - I'm Happy, plays well - I'm happy
3. Trimble in - had to happen, Bowe will get his chance again - I'm happy
4. O'gara - no real option hear but he needs a big game - a blip in my happiness
5. Stringer - thought he played one of his best games against france so deserves his chance. - If he plays cr@p however bring on Reddan - I'm Happy.
6. Easterby - Hmmmmm think Leamy would be better at 6 but hey he's due a good game - might need a drink to keep up my happiness
7. The rest of the team I don't think anyone could argue with.

So overall I'm happy

Unfortunately all the times I mentioned the words bring on "x" EOS will probably just watch it all flow by

So after my brief euphoria I think i'll probably end up being very unhappy

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:17 pm

Flash Gordon wrote:
sewa wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote: No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.
Hmm since your his buddy I didnt expect you to have an objective view. Reread what you compatriot leinster fans thought of his performance and honestly ask yourself if his performance in paris deserved an international cap.
How would you adress the problem positions of FB, THP, OH and SH Sewa? And what would you do about the back row?

I have addressed these in many posts which you have read Flash. It would help if other provinces played Irish qualified half backs and front rows like Munster do rather than buying in foreign players in these specialist positions where we are badly stuck for options. At full back we have tried unsuccessfully to develop Barry Murphy and Mossie Lawlor. Bryn Cunningham is a possibility that should be looked at or Bowe may move into this role.

glic · Post by **glic** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:20 pm

I'm not scape goating anyone here but since this thread has turned into a discussion on MOK I'll throw in my 2c on him.
He's taking his place in the first XV for granted again. This happens periodically and when it does he needs a good kick up the hole to sort him out. With POC out injured he (MOK) won't get the kick that he was due.

epaddy · Post by **epaddy** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:21 pm

Sewa how many times where Murphy and Lawlor tried at full back this season?

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:26 pm

sewa wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:
sewa wrote: Hmm since your his buddy I didnt expect you to have an objective view. Reread what you compatriot leinster fans thought of his performance and honestly ask yourself if his performance in paris deserved an international cap.
How would you adress the problem positions of FB, THP, OH and SH Sewa? And what would you do about the back row?
I have addressed these in many posts which you have read Flash. It would help if other provinces played Irish qualified half backs and front rows like Munster do rather than buying in foreign players in these specialist positions where we are badly stuck for options. At full back we have tried unsuccessfully to develop Barry Murphy and Mossie Lawlor. Bryn Cunningham is a possibility that should be looked at or Bowe may move into this role.

Tommy Bowe at FB?????

Don't think so.

Your post really isn't balanced. You know damn well that we have played Irish qualified half backs over the years (as have Ulster) - trying to remember the last non-Irish SH we had and we have tried 4 or 5 Irish OH's over the last 3 or 4 years. And the suggestion that development of FB's at Munster was part of some kind of plan to aid development is just ridiculous. When Cullen was fit, he played. If he'd been fit all along, he would have played all along.

The Leinster team that played against Bath had only 3 non-Irish players in it and one of those, Jowitt, is on the road to qualification. So to be honest, I really don't think your point stacks up.

upfront_1979 · Post by **upfront_1979** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:36 pm

Guys is it just me or has munsterfans gone off the air?

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 3:54 pm

epaddy wrote:Sewa how many times where Murphy and Lawlor tried at full back this season?

Murphy played 3 or 4 games there but wasnt playing well. Lawlor played there last season and again the role didnt suit him. I am not implying by the way that we did it for Irelands benefit or that Leisnter shoudl never play a foreigner in there ranks. Just pointing out that when you look at the problem positions they match the positions foreign players occupy for the provinces.
Anyway your trying to distract me from my point what has to happen b/4 Mal will loose his place?

RobbieRockBoy · Post by **RobbieRockBoy** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:07 pm

upfront_1979 wrote:Guys is it just me or has munsterfans gone off the air?

Mfans unfortunately has a tendency to crash now & then.. due to it's popularity

can't see that happening here ...

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:20 pm

Dave Cahill wrote: No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.

Dave 1 - 0 Sewa.

I'm pissing myself laughing here!

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:25 pm

Leinsterman wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote: No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.
Dave 1 - 0 Sewa.

I'm pissing myself laughing here!

Pissing yourself when you laugh could be a sign of some latent medical condition. I'd get that looked at if I was you.

ribs · Post by **ribs** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:26 pm

sewa wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
sewa wrote:Look up France vs Ireland verdict. Duff Paddy gave Mal 2/10, Imperial Mongoose gave him 0/10 and Epaddy gave him 0/10. Call MOD a journey man but any journey man could beat that rating off his own teams fans.
No he couldn't....not from the bench. Ridiculous, calling for a provincial replacement to replace the guy who, quite frankly, bitchslapped the guys keeping him on the bench, around the RDS.
Hmm since your his buddy I didnt expect you to have an objective view. Reread what you compatriot leinster fans thought of his performance and honestly ask yourself if his performance in paris deserved an international cap.

Well this wouldn't be a discussion board if we didn't have differences of opinion. However, I think we all agree that 2nd row is not a position where we have problems of strength in dept - to be honest it is going to make almost no difference as to which 2 second rows play so take you pick. However, you don't tear your lineout systems apart by dropping your other 2nd row when the first one is out injured. Why don't we discuss the areas where selection will make a difference? Front row? Back three? Half-backs?

TrueBlue · Post by **TrueBlue** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:27 pm

An analysis that picks out Mal is just typical, cliched, boring, lazy observation in my view. The problems in the Irish team are many and performance would not have been significantly impacted my MOD in for Mal.

Completely agree, the problem is from 6-10....whether MOD or Mal start is miniscule in comparison to the weight of the problem from 6 to 10...and to say that Leinster resorting to importing players is a joke in itself...What about Christian Cullen coming to Munster to replace your inadequate backs???

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:39 pm

TrueBlue wrote:
An analysis that picks out Mal is just typical, cliched, boring, lazy observation in my view. The problems in the Irish team are many and performance would not have been significantly impacted my MOD in for Mal.
1) Completely agree, the problem is from 6-10....whether MOD or Mal start is miniscule in comparison to the weight of the problem from 6 to 10...
2) and to say that Leinster resorting to importing players is a joke in itself...What about Christian Cullen coming to Munster to replace your inadequate backs???

Point no1: Firstly I would like to hear your suggested solution for the problems from 6-10. Secondly to say that Mal's disappearance wasnt a problem is ignoring his completely sub standard performance. Tommy Bowe said the reason he got dropped this week is he went looking for Mal.

Point no2: was addressed above but I will cut and paste it again here for you. "
I am not implying by the way that we did it for Irelands benefit or that Leinster should never play a foreigner in there ranks. Just pointing out that when you look at the problem positions they match the positions foreign players occupy for the provinces"

ribs · Post by **ribs** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:51 pm

sewa wrote:
TrueBlue wrote:
An analysis that picks out Mal is just typical, cliched, boring, lazy observation in my view. The problems in the Irish team are many and performance would not have been significantly impacted my MOD in for Mal.
1) Completely agree, the problem is from 6-10....whether MOD or Mal start is miniscule in comparison to the weight of the problem from 6 to 10...
2) and to say that Leinster resorting to importing players is a joke in itself...What about Christian Cullen coming to Munster to replace your inadequate backs???
Point no1: Firstly I would like to hear your suggested solution for the problems from 6-10. Secondly to say that Mal's disappearance wasnt a problem is ignoring his completely sub standard performance. Tommy Bowe said the reason he got dropped this week is he went looking for Mal.

Point no2: was addressed above but I will cut and paste it again here for you. "
I am not implying by the way that we did it for Irelands benefit or that Leinster should never play a foreigner in there ranks. Just pointing out that when you look at the problem positions they match the positions foreign players occupy for the provinces"

Point 2 - chicken, egg?

sewa · Post by **sewa** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:54 pm

Point 2 - chicken, egg?[/quote]

Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?

Dave Cahill · Post by **Dave Cahill** » February 22nd, 2006, 4:58 pm

sewa wrote:Point 2 - chicken, egg?

Thats one way of looking at it. Then again does it not strike you as odd that a province which prides itself on running rugby hasnt produced an international 9 or 10 since professionalism came into play?[/quote]

It strikes one as oddly as a team that prides itself on forward play hasn't produced an international standard front row or openside flanker in the same period I guess